Name that burr

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  1. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    A gunner write on. 2up-2.jpg
     
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  3. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    On that logic I rest my case ..
     
  4. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Partner sorry you feel that way, to each their own. All I'll say is I hope you don't purchase coins without taking a close look at them. I know I don't that's why I always take out my good old Leopold and take a good close look at that coin before I purchase it. And if you don't like close-ups I got a bunch of coins I'd like to sell you.
     
  5. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    660-lbs of powder, 16-inch AP (armour piercing), 2,700-lbs, 23-miles: ordnance on target.

    What a thrill!
     
  6. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    I bet night fire was a kick in the pants.
     
  7. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    You're absolutely correct when you say people are looking for coins.
    But if you haven't noticed people kinda come to these talk forums to inquire about coins to check out a discrepancy they may have in the coin.
    According to your profile page you have been on the talk for quite a while.
    So you should understand this more than someone who has just joined.
    I joined CT to find out about a couple coins that I've have in my collection.
    And to learn more about how the errors that I have were created..

    And I'm sure there's a lot of other people out there that of joined CT for the same reason. But the way I'm looking at it now you're not providing much help for myself or any other member, by help explaining some of the photos.

    And please do not say it's something without visual backup.
    So far I've heard plenty of opinions. But not surprisingly no one has provided me with a visual backup of their claim. I at least try to visually back up what I'm claiming.
    People with dyslexia at least my dyslexia, reading and understanding words is difficult, in most cases If I do not understand a word I have to look up the definition. So far members have done a lot of talking but have not backed up there accusations with photo graphic proof. And if you're gonna say for example that photos b is a laid over fin. Please provide a photo preferably not from community coin. But another established resource. USMC60
     
  8. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

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  9. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    I remember one exercise in Okie. We were on top of this one mountain, you could not notice it looking at this mountain from far away. Because the jungle had grown backup and trees have filled in the whole. On the top of this mountain one side of the mountain have a Big hole in it.
    I estimated you could've put two concrete trucks in the hole that was left on the side of this mountain. Our Navy back in the war maybe even your ship. Pounded the crap out of this island during the war.
    And what you just showed me only confirms the massive holes in the side of this mountain.
    A few of us Marines had a saying. Every time they fired one of them guns it was like they were shooting a Cadillac. That was the cost figured for every round what a brand-new Cadillac cost. Thank you for sharing that photo.
    USMC60
     
  10. KarlB

    KarlB Active Member

    You got it, my Brother.
     
  11. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    You know when I was on the island. They told all us treasure hunters and artifact collectors. Do not go into any caves that you may run across when you're in the jungle.
    A lot of these caves had still not been searched and were considered booby-trapped.

    All I know is I pity anyone that was in a cave on that side of the mountain. When our ships cut loose on it.
     
  12. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    USMC60 let's continue.
    My opinions and comments are my own.
    Shall we start with photo b.
    Photo b is a rim burr. Classification: not yet determined.

    Now let's move to photo c.
    Photos c is also a rim burr.
    Classification: will Just say under discussion.

    In my opinion both photos B and C, are just laid over rim burrs.

    Hommer Opinion is a little bit different.With a few other members are agreeing with Hommer .Saying that photo c is a fold-over fin.Since photo b and c look similar, we might as well include it.

    Hommer I am presenting to photos. I would appreciate your opinion, and any other members that would like to weigh in on these photos.
    Photo one, is taken looking straight down on the coin. rf-1.jpg Now let's take a look at the same coin at a different perspective. rf-2.jpg Now
    Hommer Now if I was to look at this rim burr by your definition as a fin, this would be considered a small fin that has not been folded over yet.

    In my opinion it is a small rim burr. USMC60
     
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  13. tpsadler

    tpsadler Numismatist

    Saddle
     
  14. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    tpsadler A brief explanation would be appreciated for the newer collectors that may not be familiar with the term. And thank you for your response
     
  15. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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  16. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Thank you for your reply. For the new people just getting into collecting would appreciate it. PS. Bottom quote not cool. USMC60
     
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  17. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

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    It is unfortunate the small rim burr is no longer with us.
    It is now considered production debris lost somewhere in my carpet.
    I'll miss the little guy.

    Now if we may continue. Since members have stated that photos B and C,
    they are fold-over fins. Here's for what I found out of my research and I'm making it available to you.

    I would like to show you a couple of my finned coins. fin.jpg Now here is another one I had just found, it's an Ellis Island 2017 P. finn-3.jpg finn-4-1.jpg Now I would like to present you with a couple of links for you to examine, Notice these are certified fins


    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0ahUKEwiFvfL1ls7XAhUKPCYKHeJKBEEQFghjMAg&url=http://www.apmex.com/product/82214/2013-1-2-oz-gold-eagle-finned-rim-mint-error-ms-69-pcgs&usg=AOvVaw3DJamh1idO-3sE7KLw4g08

    www.coin-rare.com

    Check them out for yourself and you make your own decision. It is possible photos B and C maybe oversize fold-over fins.

    I have found one other photo, that is similar to photos B and C.
    But it is a 1937 D cent. But they're calling this a cud fin fold-over. Here is the link so you can check it out for yourself

    https://www.google.com/search?q=Images of a finned coin&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiI3--wxsvXAhUB1SYKHd2ZAVgQsAQIJQ
     

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  18. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Oldhoopster Check out the definition you provided by From Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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    Not surprisingly I personally failed to find what you are referring to. Like many others I'm sure that are doing the exact same thing to find out information.

    I remember the good old days working on the ranch. If we wanted a good laugh, we would put a burr under the saddle. So when the writer got up and put pressure on that saddle, the burr would irritate the horse so much it would start bucking.

    I personally have never heard of a coin referred to as a saddle.
    But like I have explained to others. Just because you never heard of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

    I myself try to present the most accurate information, knowing this information presented on CT. Is also presented on a Google search.

    All I know is I have to get my act together a little better, and have to make drastic changes to my photos. And try to make proper presentation. This is all new ground for me and I'm learning every day.
    Like myself when I do a Google search. In looking for a particular subject. And I come across a thread with a member stating definitions from a source, of course I'm going to check that out. And when I find out the information provided by a certain member is just bogus, the credibility of that member is little to be desired.
    USMC60
     
  19. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    I name that berr, Jerry!!!!!
     
  20. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    steve.e How did you come up with that name?
     
  21. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Let's continue.
    Moving to photo D. Again these opinions are my own,
    photo D is another form of rim burr, this rim burr seems to fold-over a crack die impression on the rim.
    From my observation I can tell that the die had probably just started to crack on the rim.
    But had not come apart yet, thus leaving the impression on the rim as you can see.

    This is only my observation, photo D is a rim burr. I personally did not know what classification to put it in since there are so many different looking rim burrs.PS
    Another observation that I have failed to mention.
    This burr as you can see in the photo was produced on the thin side of the nickel planchet, this can determine how much copper is showing or how much nickel is showing depends on which side of the planchet is struck.
    usmc60
     
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