Ancients: Specialties within specialities

Darn it Martin. Now I have to watch for a bull as well? That is a great example.

 

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not a small fortune you had spent on those papius mari. How many types have you gathered?
I wonder if you would have a set already if you had chosen to collect the thorius balbus dianas.

In regard of original topic. I have a friend that does that, collects miniscule detail differences. He has all these titus with empty chair on rev. Different depictions of the chair platform and arms, different drapes and such. The man loves that chair.

 

Holy L-Papius, Martin!! => that's a fantastic example!! (I love both of the animal-symbols)

Man, the bull is exceptionally cool (great score, my friend)

... but you know what I gonna say next, right?

 

We collectors are a strange and varied breed! Most, including myself, want coins in good condition (Excellent works, too!). A few want minor types that are interesting and will pay a little more for a bull than a folded piece of cloth. Some of us even want the minor devices on those special types to be exceptionally well engraved. I'm with Steve at least so far:

 

I can hear the cries of "not another Papius" already....

And no Steve. No dog yet.

L Papius Denarius Serratus

Obv:– Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, corwbar.
Rev:– Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, dolabrum (pickaxe)
Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79.
Reference(s) – RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311.
Symbol variety – RRC 31. Babelon 32 BMCRR 31. CNR 1/07



Martin

 

That's an exceptional example Martin (especially of a specialty within a specialty LOL)....... Love Juno and that Gryphon!!

Unfortunately, I haven't been the successful bidder whenever I went after one of the type.....

So the closest I have is a denarius of Balbus with Juno and a charging bull and a denarius of Carisius with Sibyl and a seated Sphinx:

 

Wow, that's another awesome example, Martin (congrats)

... crow-bar & pickaxe (super cool)

Curious? => how many examples do you now own? (you are certainly the King of the L Papius Griffin, my friend)

I "almost" bid on this baby at the last CNG auction ... dang, I probably should have cc'd you (sorry, my bad)

https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=308916

 

Beauty!

 

After the crowbar and pick-axe I have another building related Papius (my father was a builder before he retired). These are tools we still use today. Heavily worn and a punch mark on the goat-skin.

L Papius Denarius Serratus

Obv:– Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, crowbar.
Rev:– Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, mason's level
Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79.
Reference(s) – RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311.
Symbol variety – RRC 131. Babelon 31 BMCRR unlisted. CNR 1/032

 

Here we go again....

L Papius Denarius Serratus

Obv:– Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, sandal.
Rev:– Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, sandal
Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79.
Reference(s) – RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311.
Symbol variety – RRC 84. Babelon 17. BMCRR 84. CNR 1/041



This is different to the shoe/sandal example I previously shared. Copied here again for comparison.

 

Both are fantastic and I would love either!

 

My sentiments as well!!! But the latter type really 'talks' to me......

 

Almost a year and a half since my last Papius. A disgrace!!!!

I think this brings my current total to 24 symbol varieties.

L Papius Denarius Serratus

Obv:– Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, aplustre.
Rev:– Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, prow
Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79.
Reference(s) – RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311.
Symbol variety – RRC 134. Babelon -. BMCRR 47.

3.81g. 19.07 mm. 180 degrees.

 

Congrats on another !

 

I pay particular attention to Constantine I VLPP's from Siscia and look for all sorts of variations. I think that I have sold most of these though.

here is a fairly standard RIC 53



and here is one with a star on the helmet



here is a RIC 56 with horseman on shield



here is another 56 with horseman and two fallen enemies on the shield

also note the differences in the helmet design and cuirass



next three are not in RIC, but should come after RIC 60

the first one has a neat center bar/ crest on the helmet with two large dots.



this one has a more typical center bar with three dots /rivets



this example has a laurel design at the base of the helmet instead of dots/rivets

many other differences, but also note that the altars are different.



here's a RIC 74 with a large decorated area in the center of the helmet and a neat shield design



Siscia 74 with a large star in the center, similar shield and cuirass as above




a RIC 84 with an interesting helmet




I could go on and on about VLPP, but only myself and two other people in the world care. If you see any with the Chi-Rho on the helmet, let me know though.

 

Really cool subspecialty. I always love that obverse.

 

Yes, it has been an interest of mine for a few years now. More boring helmet stuff, a picture with the types of VLPP helmets

 

great coins my meaning goes about tribute penny. i dont dont see this

 

Certain empresses have different hairstyles, even for the same reverse types. I consider them different coins.

 

Very cool @Victor_Clark !