Greek AE

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Valentinian, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I wonder if anyone has access to a digital list of all "Greek" cities that might have issued AE that could be dropped into a spreadsheet website like @TIF did for Roman provincial cites. (If someone wants to do silver coins, I would want that to be separate.)

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E2tZfrXnmQZcb9XAQKHUQCTLOzFUsKeHfHJBfowiAwc/edit#gid=0

    Then we could have a thread like this one:
    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/roman-provincial-coin-cities-how-many-can-we-cover.300235/
    and someone check them off once in a while as they were illustrated by CT members.

    Let us know if you know of a digital list of Greek coin-issuing cities.
     
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  3. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    Nice tiny bits.

    My smallest greek bronze has a ram on it

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    Troas, Cebren, AE8
    c. 400-350 BC
    Head of apollo right
    Ram's head right
    1.1 gr, 8 mm
    Ref : Sear #4071

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  4. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    I'm sure you have seen it but Dane's "Geographical Index of Greek Mints" is the closest I've found.
    http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/geo.html

    And Ken Steiglitz's list where she got it.
    https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~ken/T77.html
     
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  5. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    It is the right list. Now, how easy is it to drop into a spread sheet (which even I could figure out how to put on a webpage) without just typing them in one line at a time? That's the part I want simplified. If someone can do that, I can make and update the spreadsheet and get it on a webpage.
     
  6. 7Calbrey

    7Calbrey Well-Known Member

    This Tiny Greek AE has also a winged horse (Pegasus). It was struck under Seleucid usurper Alexander Balas. SC 1792.2 AlexB SC1792.2      Pegasos.jpg AlexB     O         Gorgon Ant.jpg
     
  7. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    Thought I did not yet own anything B.C. - but I do!
    It's Greek - fits in this thread and I got it from @John Anthony - Yaaay!
    It came partially attributed. I tried to finish it.

    Antioch in Syria, 1st Century BC;
    AE 19;
    Obv: Laureated head of Zeus to right.
    Rev: Zeus seated left holding Nike and scepter
    BMC.12var

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  8. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    It is in McAlee's "The Coins of Roman Antioch" as numbers 31-42, which differ only by the Pompeian era date in exergue in Greek: 8 (H = 59/58 BC)) to 18 (HI = 49/48 BC). Most his plate examples (presumably good ones) are crowded and barely show the dates. I can't made yours out, but the range 59-49 is fairly narrow already. And, it is, as you noted, B.C.!
     
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  9. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    Cool!! Thank you very much! I will check out that publication you cited.
     
  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I copied the entire Princeton list and pasted it into an empty Open Office spreadsheet which produced a separate row for each city but put the numbers at the top of each city name rather than making a separate column for them as I would have wished. I know nothing about spreadsheets but bet someone who does could make thse separate on commas or strip the numbers using a replace for each numeral with a blank space.
     
  11. Neal

    Neal Well-Known Member

    I really like the little bee on this 10 mm Ephesus bronze. Ephesus AE 10mm bee .jpg Ephesus AE 10mm turretted head left.jpg
     

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  12. ancientcoinguru

    ancientcoinguru Well-Known Member

    My favorite small Greek bronze is this one, which I bought because it has a beautiful brown patina with a race-torch on the reverse.
    racetorch.jpg
    Circa 410-357 BC
    Macedonian Cities, Amphipolis
    Æ 12 - 1.17 g
    Obv: Diademed male head right
    Rev:Race-torch.
    Reference: SNG ANS 88 var. (position of letters). .
    From the Christopher Morcom Collection. Ex Edward P. Warren Collection
     
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  13. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Great coins all

    Corinth, Corinthia, Greece, c. 368 - 248 B.C.
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    Bronze AE 12, SGCV I 2647; cf. BMC Corinth p. 53, 423 ff., aF, Corinth mint, weight 2.041g, maximum diameter 12.2mm, die axis 165o, c. 368 - 248 B.C.; obverse Pegasos flying left, koppa below; reverse ornate trident-head, uncertain symbols left, right or both; ex BCD Collection
     
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  14. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Yours is 1792.1 no control mark visible.

    Are you looking for something like this
    Screenshot_20171013-132414.jpg
    but with links in each box?
     
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  15. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I got a list of (all?) Greek cities and put it into a spreadsheet. I had and have no intention of listing coin types, just cities. I am in the process of figuring out if the cities in the list actually issued Greek coins (and, in particular, Greek AE). I think it is probable many did not. This will all take some time.
     
  16. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Yes I was demonstrating the format of such a grid/sheet. If you pm me a drawing of what you are looking for I can make a spreadsheet, wouldn't be hard to do.
     
  17. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I can make the spreadsheet and put it on the web, however it needs the raw data. The work is in getting the list of cities and determining which ones actually issued coins (At first I was thinking AE coins, but maybe, at the same time, noting which cities issued silver and provincial). I now have a list of cities (thanks @ancientone and @dougsmit for pointing me to a source) in a spreadsheet and am working on permissions and filling in information. Don't expect visible results anytime soon.
     
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  18. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Since this thread is only a week old, I'll tack on my only Greek purchase from today's Richmond coin show. My favorite dealer missed this show due to illness and my second favorite does not do Greek coins. I did him a favor and took this AE12 off his hands so he would not have any Greek coins bothering him. It came to him as part of a package deal. He is a bit unusual in collecting Roman and medieval so I ask him why. He said when he first started, he could not afford Greek coins so never learned them. I do recall when I first started we saw few Greek bronzes and small silvers but many tetradrachms that I could not afford then or now.

    Gela, Sicily, AE12 onkia, 420-405 BC, Bull / River god having a bad hair day. The reverse is off center enough to show the flan curled around the die punch making it a technical coin for my specialty collection but I really liked the style and die work on such a small bronze. Does anyone have an opinion on the significance of the leaf on the obverse or the grain on the reverse?
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  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    I think the river god is under water and the hair is flowing with the water.
     
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  20. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    That’s a beauty! Mine is a larger denomination and has a full olive sprig above the bull. No opinion on what that may signify. The river god’s hair comes in various styles and I like yours a lot. I also like how your strike has made apparent which side the reverse is... maybe I need to swap the sides on my pic.

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    SICILY, Gela

    AE Tetras. 3.82g, 17.6mm. Circa 420-405 BC. Gela 527; CNS 47; HGC 2, 380. O: Head of young river-god Gelas right; ΓEΛAΣ before; grain ear behind. R: Bull standing right; olive branch above, three pellets (mark of value) in exergue.
     
  21. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    PamphlyiaSideAE.jpg
    This is a small AE version of the common large silver of Side in Pamphylia.
    16-15 mm. 2.53 grams. 12:30 die axis.
    Helmeted head of Minerva right
    Nike walking left holding out wreath, pomegranate below in field
    City name ΣIΔHTΩN downwards.
    Sear Greek 5440. SNG Copenhagen 408ff "190-36 BC". SNG France 3 740ff.
     
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