Venetian (?) medieval ... right? But ... what?

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by lordmarcovan, Oct 11, 2017.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Help with attribution, if you're so inclined. I'm getting a Venetian vibe, but am essentially clueless otherwise.

    Actually, there might be an old chickenscratched, scribbly flip insert or 2x2 holder with the coin, but I'm presently at work, and it's at home (I forgot to bring that stuff and put it in the safe deposit box tonight).

    It's part of a fun old-timey collection lot I bought.

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  3. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Venice 12 denari/bagattini? I'm also at work at the moment, but not many other coins it can be with that "12" on it :)
     
  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thanks. That gets me much closer in my Googling, but I still don't know the doge or date. I guess it could be slightly postmedieval, like 17th century?
     
  5. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Yea should be 1600's. No idea which doge it is either
     
  6. Ardatirion

    Ardatirion Où est mon poisson

    Venetian 12 Baggatini of one of the doges named Alvise Mocenigo. Should be in 18th century KM.
     
  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Thank you!

    Boy, that one sure looked a lot older than 18th century.
     
  8. Numismat

    Numismat World coin enthusiast

    Seriously, it's a perfect fit among 15th-16th century European coins.
     
  9. ewomack

    ewomack 魚の下着

    This one looks like a possible match (there are a few other variations):

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    Info below from this site: http://www.ancientresource.com/lots/venice/venetian.html

    "Alvise Contarini, 1676-1684 AD. Billon soldino. Doge kneeling left, holding tall cross/staff, facing nimbate winged lion holding Gospels open with paw. "12" below. S.M.V.ALOYS.CON around / Christ standing, nimbate and robed, with hand held in benediction, +DEFENS NOSTER+ around. 22 mm."

    Other possible matches are listed on the link above. They are all 17th century.
     
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  10. kkathyl0

    kkathyl0 Active Member

    @ewomack you nailed that, no doubt in my mind.
     
  11. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Oho! So the "12" is not in Roman numerals! I was wondering where everyone was seeing a 12, though considering the state of the "2" in the "12" on my coin, I suppose I can be excused for not noticing that detail.

    Thank you!
     
  12. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    I found the coin when I put all the stuff back in my SDB, and lo and behold, like I had thought, there was an old chickenscratched, scribbly 2x2 holder after all, and it said:

    "Venice Italy
    Alvise Contrarini [sic] 1678-1684"

    So thank you for confirming that. I couldn't remember if it was in an attributed holder or not, and even when they are, I do not always trust the old holder information and like to confirm it.

    I'm not finding this in Krause, at least not the digital Numismaster/NGC online version. But the info you nailed down is enough. Thanks again.
     
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