Huge Maximian portrait upgrade

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  1. dlhill132

    dlhill132 Member

    Sallent, great new coin!

    ~Doug
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  3. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    @dougsmit -- good observations all around. I am too single minded of purpose to offer global prescriptions for attributions here -- my Tetrarchic unreduced folles research and collecting has been confined to coinage produced at the London Mint, plus the Constantius Britannic Invasion coinage produced at the "unknown" (Boulogne?) Continental Mint. My attributions are mostly, but not always, based on RIC, Volume VI, Londinium/Lugdunum although I do not hold RIC to be infallible or even exceptionally reliable -- my personal copy is populated with a profusion of notes, questions, corrections and challenges. However, I do find RIC to be a great "go to" reference when attributing my coins -- augmented by several well known online reference resources. I have found the various introductory chapters in RIC to be of great value in understanding the historical associations of various coin issues.

    I think some of the sections of RIC are under-utilized such as the indices commencing on page 689 of the 1967 Edition of RIC Volume VI:

    Index I - Obverse Legends (page 689)
    Index II - Reverse Legends (page 698)
    Index III - Reverse Types (page 708)

    Index I is, in my opinion, particularly relevant to this present discussion.

    James

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  4. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Just you wait. You'll be back.

    Yes, that is an excellent one, but the one you are upgrading has an excellent type for a Herculean emperor, plus it is a different denomination and a different part of the reign.

    Yes. Here is my example of that type: MaximianCONCORDIAXXI.jpg

    But, there are many more interesting Maximian coins, as the above posts have proven.

    One of my favorites is this one:

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    The portrait is so expressive.
    28 mm. 9.885 grams.
    Struck c. 303.
    RIC VI London 23b.

    Before one can be "done" with Maximian, one certainly needs an abdication piece to go with an ant and the follis (not to mention the other denominations).

    MaximianAbdicationBEATsm.jpg

    27-26 mm. 9.79 grams.
    Struck May 1, 305 - early 307 at Trier.
    RIC VI Trier 673b.

    I'll stop here, but I am far from "done" with Maximian!
     
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  5. jamesicus

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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    haha! i don't think you'd botch it Jamesicus.. ok.. i will post it a lil' later, thanks.o-1
     
  7. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    OK!
     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Thanks I am aware of the pitfalls of Maximinus (Daia) being confused with Galerius!
     
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  9. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    That is indeed an awesome portrait, Sallent. I like the intense glare, and the horizontal beard.

    My newest Max is also a Moneta, but from Ticinum. I like the snub-nose:
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    My other two favourite Max portraits are this ant., also from Ticinum (you can see the austere tetrarchal portraiture developing):
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    and this piggy-eyed follis from Carthage (but don't the "fruits" look rather disgusting? like huge worms):
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    Would like to get one like Q's Aquileia.
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    LOL... that's hilarious! What happened there, I wonder?
     
  11. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    A great book from my childhood:

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    By the end, he acquires a taste for them...
     
  12. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    sorry about the quality of the photos @jamesicus. can you ID it from these? o-1 maxmiminus octoman frederick iv 001.JPG maxmiminus octoman frederick iv 002.JPG
     
  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    "Fruit" has more specificity in American English than elsewhere. Outside the US, the word often simply means agricultural produce of any kind. Similarly, "corn" outside of the US often means grain in general, not just maize.
     
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  14. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    News to me (Canadian) and my wife (British)! I have noticed this use of "corn" in coin books, though. Maybe somewhat archaic?

    In any case, I don't think "fruits" ever includes worms... :smuggrin:
     
  15. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    I am afraid your images are too dark for my much diminished eyesight @ominus1 -- maybe some other CT member can decipher the legends?
    I did use IrfanView to crop, resize and brighten your images in the hope I could read the legends easier:

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    I think I can make out the obverse legend to be:
    IMP MAXIMIANVS PF AVG -- but I am not sure (bad eyesight again).

    Maybe you can post the legends as you read them directly from the coin?
     
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    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    that looks like what it says. your remake of the reverse is about as good as it gets because the coin isn't in pristine shape. i need to make a better pic of it if i can. But you would say this is a prereform follis of Maximinis?
     
  18. JBGood

    JBGood Collector of coinage Supporter

    Very helpful info. I have always had issues attributing some of these coins.
     
  19. Valentinian

    Valentinian Well-Known Member

    Follis is the new denomination of the reform. There cannot be a "prereform follis". It is a follis from Carthage.
     
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  20. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    For @ominus1 -- thanks @Valentinian.
     
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  21. jamesicus

    jamesicus Well-Known Member

    You are most welcome, @JBGood -- most people do have some difficulty.
     
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