Spot the barbarous issue

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by bsr045, Oct 6, 2017.

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Barbarous?

  1. All

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  2. None

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  3. 1 of the four

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  4. 2 of the four

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  5. 3 of the four

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  1. bsr045

    bsr045 Well-Known Member

    What do you think?
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    They all look barbarous to me, but I selected the 3 of 4. I should have said all.
     
  4. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    2 is the only one with any doubt but it is TRS which is common of 'slightly' barbarous coins and I dont like a few details so I'll say all.
     
  5. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    100% agreed. Nothing more to write it, but I still believe that the second is not.
     
  6. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    The victories on two look pretty "funky" to me with those stubby little legs, fedoras, and tiny wreaths, I'll say all 4.
     
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  7. akeady

    akeady Well-Known Member

    For some reason, the figures on the reverse of #2 (top right) remind me of Morris Dancers.
     
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  8. bsr045

    bsr045 Well-Known Member

    TRS?
     
  9. Multatuli

    Multatuli Homo numismaticus

    The picture of the second coin is a little bit blundered, that makes the evaluation more difficult. However, the bust of the emperor is not bad, as the obverse legends. I agree that the Victories are kinda weird, but here also de legend don’t have a typical barbarous pattern.
    I consider three possibilities:
    1) An emission of Treveri (Trier), that really struck coins with a more rough appearance, but not barbarous, by the romans.
    2) The coin was produced by an unofficial, but still roman mint (itinerant maybe?) on a period of shortage of money, to pay the legions in boundary’s zones, like the previous limes denarius.
    3) In my opinion, the most improbable, a well-done barbarous emission, made by Germanic tribes already well-acculturated or adapted with the romans.
     
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  10. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    TRS = the mint mark for coin 2. It's details are correct, but the crudeness of its execution suggests it too is barbarous. For the other three there is no doubt.
     
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  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    idk they all look barbarous on the reverse to me.. the last one's obverse looks legit..kinda..for the benefit of doubt i'd say 3.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    It would be nice if 'barbarous' was an on/off situation bu there are many coins that could be a bad day at the good mint or a good day at the bad one. My favorite Trier copy is this Urbs Roma which I would not have suspected of being unofficial were it not for its one little problem. The legends are not mirror image but everything else is.
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