Let's try another Alexander the Great drachm...

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Gavin Richardson, Oct 4, 2017.

  1. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    A3.jpg I'm still working by fits and starts on my university's meager collection of ancient coins. Here's an Alexander the Great drachm. I have no expertise with these. I would like to date it. Is there a way to tell if it is posthumous (as I suspect) or lifetime (as I doubt)?

    RULING AUTHORITY: Alexander the Great (or in the name of Alexander the Great)
    REIGNED: 336-323 B.C. (this drachm may be posthumous)
    DATE STRUCK: ?
    TYPE:

    AR (silver) drachm
    SIZE: 16.4 mm.
    WEIGHT: 4.08 g.
    DIE AXIS:
    OBVERSE: Head of Herakles right in lion skin.
    REVERSE: Zeus seated left holding eagle and scepter; throne, ΑΛΕΞΑΝ∆ΡΟΥ to right.
     
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  3. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    One leg crossed behind the other generally means posthumous issue.
     
  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    just a wild guess, but probably posthumous:rolleyes: and the 'style' suggests to me that it may have been struck at Pella or Amphipolis???
     
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  5. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    The key word here is "generally." There are exceptions. If, say, 85% certainty is good enough for you, then go with this approach. But if you want greater certainty, then you need to research each individual coin to find out where and when it was minted.

    There are usually field devices in front of Zeus' legs on the reverse as well as monograms under his chair that are used to identify mint date and location. Some are easier to pin down that others. Do you like mysteries?
     
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  6. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    What a wonderful undertaking! Is the university's collection on display?
     
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  7. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Ha. Yes, but usually of the Scooby Doo variety. I'll see what else I can find about this coin, but I fear that this coin is so worn that certain identifying devices may no longer be recognizable.
     
  8. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    We are (meaning, "I am") working on it. They are on physical display at the university, and a virtual display is in progress here: http://www.uu.edu/centers/biblical/coins/

    There's work to be one in improving the virtual database, such as adding thumbnail images and an overall directory. But we are (meaning, "I am") making progress.

    Here's a link to the complete print catalogue a student and I made. It's a PDF. A good student learning project. I learned a thing or two as well.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/65eu9pg1e9bnk4z/Uselton Catalogue Main Document with Photos.pdf?dl=0

    I'm about halfway through the 30 or so coins for the online display. Once again, these coins would be nothing special to most members of this board both in terms of scarcity or quality. But the collection does expose students to a variety of coins in a standing, always accessible collection, which could really fire a lot of student imaginations. It is entirely possible that some or all of my coins might one day end up here.
     
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  9. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Well-Known Member

    Superb effort, Gavin! A great resource for students! I'm thoroughly inspired.
     
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  10. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Well, I think you can be pretty confident that the coin is an early posthumous issue, my guess is ca. 320-300 B.C.E., but that's just a guess.

    Actually, I'm surprised no one has chimed in yet with more information about your coin. I think there is still enough detail left for a specialist to pin it down. The standard reference for coins of Alexander III is "The Coinage in the Name of Alexander the Great and Philip Arrhidaeus, (2 Volumes)," by Martin Price. Both volumes will probably set you back around $500. Can track it down via inter-library loan?

    You might also try re-posting this coin with a new subject line more likely to catch a specialist's eye, like "Museum Needs ID Help with Alexander the Great Drachm."

    Finally, do you see the oblong shape in front of Zeus' knee? That probably identifies the mint. If you've got plenty of time on your hands, you might go to Wildwinds' AtG page and scroll down the thumbnail images in search of a coin with a similar object in a similar location:

    http://www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/macedonia/kings/alexander_III/t.html

    Good luck with your project.
     
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  11. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Thanks Glenn. I will definitely do the wildwinds option when I have a moment. I think I have handled Price a long time ago since I have one of these tetradrachms. But it’s been years. I certainly don’t own it but could get it.
     
  12. Amentia

    Amentia New Member

    YOur coin is Price 1750!

    http://numismatics.org/pella/id/price.1750

    KINGS OF MACEDON. Alexander III 'the Great'. Drachm. Kolophon.
    Obv: Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin.
    Rev: AΛEΞANΔPOY.
    Zeus seated left with eagle and sceptre. Controls: grain in left field and spear head in outer right field .
    Price 1750.
    Date: 323 B.C. - 319 B.C.
    With best regards
    Daniel
     
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  14. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Oh, Wow, Daniel! Nice attributing. I have some very worn Drachmae from Alex III. I have had these for over 20 years. Are these identifiable?

    3) Makedon Alexander III 336-323 BC AR Drachm 3 Suse.jpg

    2) Makedon Alexander III 336-323 BC AR Drachm 2.jpg

    Suse Makedon Alexander III AR Drachm Suse.jpg

    1) Makedon Alexander III AR Drachm 1.jpg
     
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  15. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Haven't figured out what mint mine is yet, but the little research I've done says its western Anatolian?

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  16. Mike Margolis

    Mike Margolis Well-Known Member

    The very top one could be:Alexander III The Great AR Drachm. Lampsakos Mint Struck Circa 328/5-323 BC. Obverse: Head of Herakles right, wearing lion skin. Reverse: Zeus Aëtophoros seated left; in left field, Demeter, holding torches, standing facing; monogram below throne. References: Price 1356. Size: 17mm, 4.20g. Numismatic Notes: VF and very attractive! An interesting control mark! and more:
    A lifetime issue of Alexander the Great.
    obv. Head of young Herakles clad in a lion skin
    rev. Zeus enthroned left, holding eagle and scepter, Demeter facing with two
    torches on left side, monogram below seat, A&LambdaE&XiAN&DeltaPOY on the right side
    Müller 398 | Price 1356 | SNG.Copenhagen 881[​IMG]
     
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Thank you Mike!!!
     
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