Coin without any number/figure?

A few days ago our trainer showed us some ball exercises. This is an outdoor activity, and close to us was a dozing dog. So he looked at the dog and jokingly said, you may of course use dogs instead of balls. Hmm, maybe that was a Corgi ... (duck)

And yes, @ErolGarip , as far as Germany is concerned, I would like to see the 1 and 2 ct coins go. They are costly to make, and those who want to keep them expect to get them in change but then do not actively use them any more. In the neighborhood (Belgium, Netherlands) they are not needed any more, and several other euro countries also round cash totals so that the low denominations have become superfluous. Germans seem to be a little more stubborn in that regard - we even used 1 pfennig coins (worth half a cent) until the euro cash changeover.

Christian

 

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Your view is in the mainstream view. 2cent coin, 5cent coin, 10cent coin, etc, yes, can be considered as the low denominations, but, 1cent coin? As I've said in previous posts many times, yes, the 1cent coin too is a low denomination, but, it has a special property so that it can not be considered as negligible/superfluous/ignorable. (Ps: Our "trash-maker" page-counter-robot is doing the job well. Welcome to the page 21, CoinCorgi.)

Btw. Prove you are not robot, select/find frame with "treasure" and frame with "trash":



Ps: Photo taken by Erol during a touristic trip in his town where he has been in for half a century. It is a photo of "Central Park" of the town "Aksehir", sister (no, bro) town of New York, and many others in the World.

 

Germans, stubborn...unglaublich.

 

Coin & Disabilities

You saw the photo above. What is the treasure there? Which would you take/have/own?

Horse cart? Its market value is more or less $1000 in our small town while it is more than $10,000 in Central Park of NewYork. The both are big moneys...

On the other hand, that "small" one coin in the hand is "worthless", "useless", etc... say horse carters too like everybody says.

People, we all are disableds... we all are blinds... we are not seeing in that picture what the treasure is and what the trash is...

Let me rewrite this again, to learn first what the money itself that is our own thing is:

1cent < 2cent < 5cent < 10cent < 25cent < 50cent < etc ... From small to big... CORRECT.

1cent ... 2cent < 5cent < 10cent < 25cent < 50cent < etc... Still CORRECT, from small to big, but, with a small difference.

Notice 1cent here is seperated from others, there is no smaller "<" symbol after 1cent because 1cent is constant that's its difference from the others. So, while to say "1cent" is small money is true it is also true that 1cent is about existence and non-existence that is also an ontological reality.

 

Those who say "1cent coin is wothless/useless/etc" are 100%...

This is mainstream view, common view, global view (no any survey about this been done and no any statistics available, this 100% is just my guess.)

Some other global world statistics (global percentages in world population):

- Disableds: 15% (more than 50% have some light disability disorders.)
- Digestive diseases: 10% (more than 50% have kidney, stomach, etc disorders.)
- Heart and blood diseases: 10% (more than 50% have heart and blood disorders.)
- Obesity: 10% (more than 50% have overweight or underweight disorders.)
- Infectious diseases: 5% (more than 50% are affected from viruses.)
- Traffic/work accidents and diseases: 5% (more than 50% are affected, injured, etc.)
- Political wars/etc accidents and diseases: 3% (more than 50% are affected.)
- Etc etc.

(Some of these statistics are "roughly", but, close to the reality. For ex, chronical kidney disease is 8%, but, more than 50%, maybe even 80-90%, of world population have kidney problems.)

Summary:

Total unhealthies: 100%...
Total having little or much money but with no one cent coin in their pockets: 100%...

How many of coin collectors here have one cent coin in their pocket (or equivalents such as penny/kurus/agora/kopek/etc)...?
I guesstimate: None...

 

It seems that the topic of the day today is "error". Let me leave a note here related to this.
All above on this page, from the picture with "trash" to "disabilities/diseases/etc" are errors caused by blindness, by not seeing one cent the "treasure".

By the way, found a new term that can replace "constant" of money in previous posts. That new term is "reference". The cent coin is the reference that is something like the reference/calibration weight for the scale. At this current stiuation with the cent too being tried to be circulated in some places and not being minted at all in some other places, the moneys has no any reference and that is an error. The one cent coin always in the pocket as "reference" can fill this gap or can correct this error. Also, that reference one cent, should be made of nickel material for various reasons including durability and health, however, till then, cupper-zinc-etc alloys too are acceptable as this one cent coin reference in the money is not about the weight and the material, but, about concrete mathematical physics which is something like semantic ontology by which I mean the money is a metapysical thing, but, is also a real thing.

 

Here below is a coin, called "spitting horse" coin (called error coin, error due to die crack. anyway). It is something like karma, isn't it. Horse spitting at our work...

Some people say this error is not rare nor attractive error, a fairly common error, so, not valuable error coin. It is true, it is like that horse riding has been fairly common, but, only a few see the "bit" in their mouths of horses. Those bits are usually metallic parts like coins. As you know, horses have been used for transportation, for quick transfers from one place to another place. In that carry-quick sense, this horse-carry work is like what Emergency services such as ambulances do. So, emergency service people who have to derive the ambulances relatively faster than other vehicles must be careful on the roads where they may face horse carts, yes, even in this 21th century... While they are carrying ills/injureds/etc, not to cause another accident, those EMT people need to be careful, especially about the horse carts on the roads. For that, they EMT people too have to carry at least one "one cent coin" in their pockets, useful for "work safety".


(picture taken from here https://www.cointalk.com/threads/spitting-horse.303607/ )

 

Errol You have got to help here. Im starting have some sympothy for your posts.Part of the problem is no one understands what you are trying to communicate. Maybe it's a cultural difference and those In turkey understand this one statement

"one cent coin" in their pockets, useful for "work safety".

We have no clue as to what you are saying, it makes zero sense to us in the US. Is it like a good luck charm, a means of paying the Ferryman like in Greek Mythology,, etc. Is it some ancient Turkish proverb or parable? Or is it like here the states people would put a penny in their shoe for good luck?

Like if I told you "not my circus, not my monkey" would you understand that it was an old Polish proverb meaning it's none of my business so I am not to be bothered with it?

 

Ancient and medieval typically didn't have denominations. Size, and medal denoted value. The image below has no date, and is not denominated in word or numerals.

The ancient world used images of their gods, emperors, or what they valued as commodities of their region. Regnal years were used, but much later on. The history of coinage is broad, and often hard to give a definitive answer as there are always "exceptions."

 

Would like to see some "exceptions" (ancient coins with numerals/denominations on them.)

Actually, even though there are numerals/denominations on the coins today, the coins of our day are not much different than the ancient coins. Coins of our days too are anythings, but, the money. A 7 years old kid who just starts to learn the money by looking at all these coins in the past and today can learn a lot, except the money.

Ps: @Truble, "I have got to help here"? You did ask for it, you'll be regretful, a book-like long post is coming, you'll be in real Trouble (lol)

 

reignal years use numbers, in this case could be an exception, though I admit I am stretching it a bit. Roman Dextans (S.760 ff.) used an "S" for semis, followed by 4 large dots all adding up to 10. I'm easy either way.

 

The numbers in regnal years exist in many ancient coins as far as I have seen, however, they are not about the denominations.

Roman Dextans? Like this? https://www.flickr.com/photos/ahala_rome/5438710284/ - I see there are "S" and 4 large dots on it. If these are denominations, then, this is another exception (after another one mentioned by "Sallent" in one of previous posts in this thread, page 4. It has denomination "X" (10).)

 

Quite similar. There is what's left of an S to the left of the dots. The S equals 6.

 

Trubel, ok. Let me correct your error here, it is "Erol", not "Errol". So, I helped, didn't I? (lets ask this to "Corgi" who said to me "Learn English." Btw, yes, I've learnt enough English. Now, it is your turn. Learn Money.)

Truble, what just did you say? Did you say that the cent is none of your business? Ok, I take responsibility, it is my business...

Truble, these make zero sense to the people in the US? What? Americans are different? Yes, they too are different. I've heard such words from many people: "We English are different", "We Frenchs are different", "We Germans are different", "We Russians are different", "We Japaneses are different", "We Arabs are different", "We Turks are different", "We Jews are different", "We Kenyans are different", etc etc... See all are talking same...

Indeed, there may be some differences between communities. But, there are somethings common in the whole World. For example, that horse cart in the picture above. There is horse cart in this town. You know?, there is horse cart in New York too, in London too, in Paris too, in Moscow too, in Being too, in Istanbul too, in Tokyo too, in TelAviv too, in Berlin too, in Rome too, in Mekka too, in Rio too, in Havana too, in Cape Town too... Etc etc... Just hanging a flag on horse carts doesn't make any difference. Now, lets back to the money/coin.

Truble, when you said "it makes no sense to the people in the US", I guess, you voiced their opinion of people from the US. As of today, there are 43,807 registered members on this forum. I guess, among them, there are members from 50 or more different countries even if they are not active members. If we also count visitors/surfers, there are people viewing this public open forum from 150 or more countries. I'll voice their opinion of all those people and can think of that they all too are saying the same "all this one coin thing makes no sense to us here in our part of the World"... So, it has nothing to do with being American or Turk or French or etc etc... So, lets put this fact, fixed reality, first.

Truble, is the one coin a "good luck charm"? or a chance coin or a memorial coin or whatever? You know what? Same or similar things have been said in this town too. I've not said anything to them, however they interpreate, however they like to view, are all ok, no problem, as long as they have the one coin in their pockets. I'll explain this with a short story. Last year, I had a small accident, not serious. Anyway,emergency service was called, an ambulance came. And, before those EMT people at the ambulance made any treatment (injection, whatever, etc), I gave each of them a one coin. Now, after electricians (around 1000 people here in this town), EMT emergency people too (around 100 people in this town) now have the one coins in their pockets. When giving those one coins to them I did not say anything to them. It was a work, was a work safety issue, there was no time for explanation. They too smiled/laughed/etc, they too found nonsense, however, they got the one coins anyway by saying "ok, this is my luck charm, a memory, a souvenir, etc etc", and they put the one coins in their pockets. I did not put my nose into how they interpreated. However, in this global public forum, things are a little different, I am aware of this. So, ok, let me answer your this specific question:

"..."one cent coin" in their pockets, useful for "work safety"..."
How is this possible? (If I knew your occupation, I'd explain it better specifically to your case. However, this is not the case here in this public forum. So, I'd try to explain by generalizing as much as possible.)

In whole World, at all works, there is this money thing, you know. From poors to riches, from illiterates to scholars, from 7 years olds to 777 years olds, etc, all people have the money problem, you know. So, there is a 100% correlation between the money and the work. While AT works, people with the money problem generally lose their concentrations and that makes them less careful when doing a work and that may cause some unwanted big results, especially, in risky works such as electrics, welding casting etc at the industry, medical emergency service, etc which are more urgent fields (not limited to these higher risky fields, of course, it is about all fields where people work, where people use the money, that's, everywhere.) When people have the one cent coin in their pockets, they themselves can learn to be careful by realizing the "integrity" in the money in time. "Integrity" and "work safety" are closely related to each others. Once the work safety issue is completed, and then, they can learn it themselves by studying the one coins in their pockest, and, later, they can also educate their kids better. One of the final results in a short, medium or long term future (depending on how fast people will work) can be, for ex, that the 7000 year old ancient horse cart problem in all over the World which have not been solved yet can be put a the End.

(Ok, late in the night here. Good evening to there to the West and good morning to the East.)

 

Just made it all the more mysterious as to what you are trying to communicate. Sorry everyone for trying to unravel the cryptic nature of this thread

 

You do realize that if you keep responding, he just keeps on...doing whatever it is he is doing. Let him talk to himself.

 

Hey wait just a minute there cowboy. I am still waiting for my scooby snack (see post #66) and I also have a goal of 26 pages (see post #111 on page 6). Back off - I want my scooby snack dangit.

 

Before sleeping, I checked this on the net. I see, dextans is a weight measurement which is equal to 10 ounces, As is 12 ounces, Semis is 6 ounces. Notation for ounce was dot. Btw, while they had Dextans, why didn't they strike 'D', but, 'S' plus 4 dots? Must be cryptic. Anyway, these are not money values, but, material weight values. Good night also.

 

By the way, since this forum is a globally open to the World public there may be confusion in their minds of many people about currencies and their units.

For example, in a forum thread, here, " https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=297132&whichpage=4 "
someone who has travelled a lot in the World said this:

"... Just for the idea, but there are over 2500 Ugandan Shilling, over 2900 Colombian Pesos, over 4000 Cambodian Riel, over 8200 Lao Kip, over 13.000 Indonesian Rupee and over 22.700 Vietnam Dong in a US dollar (and to top it off, although not for sale outside the country: 33.500 Iranian Rial per dollar). You'd get these currencies for free when only applying three positions behind the comma. Talk about worthless pennies... "

Let me take the reply to it here just as a note:

You are missing a point like everybody does. Dollar, Euro, Pound, Shilling, Pesos, Riel, Rupee, Rial, Lira, Shekel, etc etc. These are NOT currency units actually. Currency unit, for ex in the US, is the Cent, not the Dollar. That's, there is no conversion actually between the currencies as their units are not being converted. For example, "how many Israel Shekel in one US Dollar" can be said, but, "how many Israel Agora in one US Cent" can NOT be said. If you go to Israel, if you want to buy Shekel by Dollar, you can do it. But, even if you want to pay much dollar or much shekel to buy one agora, you can not buy it, because one agora simply doesn't exist. The stiuation is not much different in the US. Yes, the cent exists in the US, even more, flooding, but, nobody wants it, nobody, even the president does not have a one cent coin in his pocket. That's, it is not me talking Penny is worthless, useless. Even the Presidents are considering the penny coin is worthless, useless, etc. If it were not worthless, they would have it in their pockets, wouldn't they? Reality speaking itself.

Ps: the only exception to the counted currencies above is Japan Yen. After they changed their currency unit "Sen" (by cancelling it) to "Yen", they have only Yen which is currency unit name. But, in Japan too, it is not much different as there is no "one Yen coin" there.