My first PCGS Guarantee Resubmission

Good luck C-B-D. I'm chiming in just so if I'm still alive when this thing is resolved, I get a notification of the update. I've heard tons of stories and NONE of them are good. Control your expectations and expect the worst. My bet is that all you'll get is a re-slab and an invoice for shipping (or something else). If you come back and write, "That was a very pleasant and professional experience and I feel that I've been made whole," I will fall off my chair. Had someone purchased it from you based on the label on the other hand . . .

 

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Well dang. Maybe I'll get nothing. AND I can't return it to the original eBay seller since it was so long ago.

 

Definitely a shame that you purchased it thinking it was something else. I'm sorry it means a big loss for you.

 

Thanks. We'll see.

 

Respectfully, I hope you're not trying to get PCGS to pay you the difference. They made a mistake, but that mistake hasn't cost you any financial loss. In my opinion, they do not owe anything more than a reholder and free return shipping. Requesting anything more than that would be dishonest.

 

Sounds like I'll have no say in the matter, so no need to suggest I'm dishonest...

 

If you bought it after mid 2014, the listing may be available at http://www.listingshistory.com/ - but if you bought it raw, you are (as other have said) probably looking at the free reholder for a mechanical error.

Beyond that, YOU bought it raw, so YOU made the mistake and why would PCGS pay for it?

 

Ouch. Sorry man. I think PC is just gonna reholder it correctly but how strange that you bought it as that variety when it's not and PC slabbed it as the incorrect variety you bought it as. Whoa. Have you been hanging around Larry Pelf much lately? Sheesh

 

This same sort of thing happened to me back in 2014. I purchased a PCGS-slabbed 1971-S Proof Ike DDO (FS-103) on ebay for $305: original listing-



I had the coin for a while. Then I stumbled upon a thread on the Ike Group forum discussing the ongoing problem with PCGS misattributing this particular DDO variety. I joined in the conversation and added close-up pictures of the key diagnostic features. Unfortunately, the Ike Group members confirmed that it was the FS-106 DDO variety. You see, at that time I just assumed the attribution was correct, but I quickly learned otherwise. The differences may appear subtle, until you compare them up close. The difference then is more obvious. I was just beginning to learn.

Here is the slab shot showing the "imposter" FS-103 before sending it back to PCGS:


And the same coin in its new holder, properly attributed:


I have never been a paying member of PCGS, but I contacted them and presented my findings via e-mail. It took a couple of weeks, but someone finally responded and told me that this issue fell under a free re-examination something, something. I can't really recall the exact phrase she used. Anyway, I sent the coin in, using the free shipping label they provided via e-mail. About 2.5 weeks later it was back in my hands. The whole process didn't cost me anything, except the theoretical difference between the price paid for the coin AS an FS-103 ($305) minus the value of the coin as an FS-106 ($210) - $95. I never asked them about refunding the difference. I was just happy to get this coin properly attributed while at the same time correcting the populations of each variety. I suspect PCGS will do the same in your case.

One thing I am sure of: I'll never even consider buying a slabbed/attributed FS-103 unless it has a DIVA sticker on it. I have to know for certain that the Ike Group has confirmed the variety. Essentially, I'm going to have to buy one from one of the Ike Group members. I don't trust PCGS when it comes to these DDO varieties.

 

And they continue to make them totally ignorant of certain "facts" about "coin dies".

 

I am also on the bandwagon of a re-slab and a thank you for using PCGS, but not much else, unfortunately.

This scenario makes me wonder about the attribution process. It seems like if the submitter says "This coin is a XXX variety", and pays the $18, PCGS just puts it on the label. Do we know for certain that they actually verify the attribution, or are the assuming the submitter did all the legwork, and wouldn't ask for the attribution if it wasn't correct? Makes me wonder....

 

No that isn't what they're doing at all. The examples provided fooled the submitters and buyers too who didn't buy sight unseen. Some varieties are just so minuscule in differences it happens some times and you won't see threads about the vast majority of correctly done ones

 

You would expect them to get it right though. After all, they are the professionals, and should be able to pick out those slight differences. Just saying.

 

Name anything in any profession that is right 100 percent of the time. There is no such thing as perfection in human processes. A small percentage of everything will be wrong/fail

 

Pcgs is only a coin grading company and nothing more
( professional coin grading service ) .

Wexler is a variety company .
Coppercoins is a variety company .
Coneca is a variety company .

I know Pcgs does varieties, but who do they have do their Varieties ?
I know Fred Weinberg does Errors for them ...

 

It was your implication that you wish to have a say in the matter, and that you wished to have PCGS pay you for an error is what concerned me and why I spoke up. If you were not hoping to get a payout from PCGS, then I retract my statement and apologize for misunderstanding this post.

 

Years ago on the PCGS forum there was a member who was a fanatic for the 1964 accented hair Kennedy's halves, he would hunt them down and submit them. Well one time he was wondering that same thing, so he deliberately sent in a regular proof 1964 Kennedy and identified it on the submission form as an accented hair, Sure enough it came back as an accented hair, in fact a PR-69 DCAM accented hair. The very top pop for the variety.

 

So what can we make of that? I'd be curious to see what would happen if a coin is submitted with attribution of a subtle variety, and see how it came back.

 

Whoa. Well, there have been several imposter FS-103 Ikes slabbed by PCGS as such. Hmmmmm.

 

Wow...