why did I just buy this coin?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Orfew, Sep 17, 2017.

  1. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    I just won a a lot in the Naville auction. There were 4 reasons I bought this coin:
    1. I wanted a coin of Antoninus Pius (this is my first one)
    2. There is a snake on the reverse
    3. It is a Dattari plate coin.
    4. It is an RPC Online plate coin


    I bought it for all of the above reasons. I really like the look of this coin.

    Please post your Dattari coins, your plate coins, or your coins of A.Pius.

    Egypt, Alexandria. Dattari. Antoninus Pius, 138-161 Diobol circa 151-152 (year 15), Æ 22.5mm., 7.45g. Laureate bust r., drapery on l. shoulder. Rev. Agathodaemon erect, r., crowned with skhent; in field, L-E. RPC Online 15718 (this coin). Dattari-Savio Pl. 162, 3066 (this coin).
    Good Fine.
    From the Dattari collection.

    Ex: The Hunterian, University of Glasgow
    Ex: Naville Numismatics Auction 34, Lot 281 September 17, 2017



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  3. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Very nice, congrats.

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    Antoninus Pius, (138 - 161 A.D)
    AR Denarius
    O: ANTONINVS AVG PI - VS PP TR P COS III, laureate head right.
    R: OPI AVG; Ops seated left, holding scepter and resting her head on right hand.
    Rome Mint, 140-143 A.D.
    3.43g
    18mm
    RIC III 77

    Plublished on Wildinds

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    Antoninus Pius (138 - 161 A.D.)
    Bilion Tetradrachm
    Egypt, Alexandria.
    O: ANTWNINOC CEB EVCEB, laureate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind.
    R: Artemis advancing right, holding bow in left hand, drawing arrow from quiver with right; LE in left field. Dated RY 5 (141/2 AD)
    21mm
    10.93g
    Köln 1364; Dattari 2151; Milne 1705; BMC Alexandria -; Emmett 1362/5.

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    Antoninus Pius (138 - 161 A.D.)
    Struck Under Marcus Aurelius
    O: DIVVS ANTONINVS, bare draped bust right.
    R: CONSECRATIO, funeral pyre of four tiers with quadriga on top.
    Rome Mint, 161 - 180 A.D.
    18mm
    3.2g
    RIC III M. Aurelius 438
     
  4. Parthicus

    Parthicus Well-Known Member

  5. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    Very cool coin! I went for the similar lot 278, but was blown out of the water. :(
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Yep, 278 was a cool snake reverse as well. I thought I might have chance at this one, but I was not sure because 278 went much higher than this one.
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Mine is different but similar in having a snake (with human head) and Pius. It came from CNG in 1990 (XII,226) which explains the $41 (delivered) price. 1990 was a good year to buy ordinary coins like this because the Kerry Wetterstrom collection (from which this came) had so many really spectacular coins (many of which you have not seen since) that this was beneath the notice of people with budget limits. I did not bother bidding of the zodiacs and big dog coins so I had a chance at things like this that went cheap. CNG has not posted sales back that far so those interested in the series might want to buy XII & XIII with Kerry coins.
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  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Well done @Orfew ! NAILED that Checkoff List!

    PLATE COIN:

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    Campania AE Apollo-Achelous -275-250BCE PLATE COIN 3 KNOWN RARE SNG ANS 474 - Listed Potamikon pg 232 Plate 343 (our CT member Nicholas Molinari author)

    Yeah, well, not a coin, but cool Ancient History:
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    Egypt Faience Eye of Horus Amulet ca 1070-713 BCE 3rd Int Per - orange glaze Petrie Amulets plate XXV 19mm

    Never thought my HOLED coin...
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    RImp Spain Lepida-Clesa Lepidus 44-36BCE C Balbus L Porcius Colonia Victrix Ivlia Lepida Victory - Bull holed RPI 262 plate 19

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    Rome. Lead tessera c. 1st cent. AD
    Fortuna standing left, resting rudder on ground with right hand, holding cornucopia in left
    Large DP
    Rostovtsev 2307; Ruggerio 808-9; 13mm, 1.39 g, 12h; good VF
    Ex Tom Vossen collection of Roman lead objects.

    @Ardatirion :
    - Gert and I are working on publishing that collection. Your piece will be illustrated in itEDIT: This is a type that has been surprisingly available lately. All specimens exhibit the same misalignment, indicating that they were all cast from the same set of molds. Here's one of my two examples.
     
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  9. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    nice and thick, and a cool snake! i don't have much up that alley, but here's my last AP, a nice budget provincial.

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    Antonius Pius, Thrace, Philippopolis 138-161 AD

    O: Antoninus Pius left, R: Dionysos. Varbanov 756. 16 mm, 3.5 g
     
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I love a coin with a provenance! Nice job!

    Here's one of the plate coins in my collection. From Lindgren I:

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  11. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Any one of those reasons would be good enough. Needless to say you got a very neat coin!
     
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  12. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Congrats on the win. I had a field day bidding on the Naville auction today... and came away with zilch :meh:. My batting average with ex Dattari coins at Naville has been abysmally low, which is unfortunate because they often have a few very interesting examples in each auction. It's fun enough to look, I suppose... my favorite today was Lot 241, the Trajan drachm with the Egyptian barge in a temple.

    I ended up having to look elsewhere for Dattari collection coins. Here's one of my ex Dattari A-Pi plate coins.

    Antoninus Pius - Gemini Lot A - 5.jpg ANTONINUS PIUS
    Billon Tetradrachm. 12.71g, 22.5mm. EGYPT, Alexandria, RY 5 = AD 141/142. Dattari-Savio pl. 108, 8094 (this coin); Emmett 1362.5; RPC Online 14246 (2 spec., this coin cited). O: Laureate head left. R: L-E, Artemis advancing right, drawing arrow from quiver at shoulder, holding bow.
    Ex Robert L. Grover Collection of Roman-Egyptian Coinage, previously held by the Art Institute of Chicago (1981.513); Ex Dattari Collection
    Notes: Rare left-facing bust for this type

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  13. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Very nice A. Pius @zumbly That reverse is great.

    I was watching the other lots and just thinking ...Wow. It was hard to believe what some of the Dattari coins were going for. The bidding was very spirited to say the least. I felt lucky to grab the one I got. My average seems to be 1 Dattari plate coin per NN auction.
     
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  14. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I agree. The bidding was a little over exuberant for some of the lots, but there were a couple of legitimate big ticket items. The one that comes to mind most is the Heracles and the Erymanthian boar drachm that closed at £5,250!
     
  15. Carausius

    Carausius Brother, can you spare a sestertius?

    In the "Library Additions" thread, I recently posted how I filleted some Vecchi catalogues to condense the RR material into a storable sized volume. I did the same with Classical Numismatic Auctions' (CNA) catalogues to create a dedicated volume for the Kerry Wetterstrom Collection of Roman Egypt. Completeness requires a bit more than XII and XIII. The Wetterstrom Roman Egypt coins appear in:

    Historical Coin Review Vol XII, No. 2 (Spring 1988);
    CNA IV (Sep 1988);
    CNA V (Dec 1988);
    CNA VII (May 1989);
    CNA XII (Sep 1990); and
    CNA XIII (Dec 1990).

    CNA is the predecessor firm that ultimately became CNG.
     
  16. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    My similar in another denomination:

    Antoninus Pius
    Æ Drachm, Egypt, Alexandria Mint, 36mm, 29.51 grams

    Obverse: ANTWINO CCEBEVCEB, Laureate and draped bust of Antoninus left.
    Reverse: L I Z, Coiled Serapis-Agathodaimon serpent rising right from ground, grain ears to either side.

    References:
    Dattari8688 // Köln1721 // K&G35.594

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  17. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    Great coin Ken!
     
  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Very nice!

    Heres some of Pius
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  19. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    My only plate coin

    Constantius II imitation (Failmezger, Plate coin)

    Obverse: DN CONSTAN-TIVS PF AVG, Long-necked diademed cuirassed bust right
    Reverse: Blundered legend, soldier spearing fallen horseman, Phrygian helmet, sitting on ground, arm(s) up, II left.

    Size: 23.49 mm 6.g

    Failmezger 462aCS (This Coin)

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  20. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

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  21. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I surprisingly have a Pius struck in Alexandria... since I am typically weak in Empire coinage.

    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE BI Tet Alexandria Egypt Dikaiosyne Scales Obv-Rev.jpg
    RI Antoninus Pius 138-161 BCE BI Tet Alexandria Egypt Dikaiosyne Scale
     
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