What Your Budget Buys - $150 Edition

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  1. Cucumbor

    Cucumbor Well-Known Member

    That's the exact coin I had in mind while typing....

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  3. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    In this price range I choose following coins:

    140 eur - Severus Alexander Æ Sestertius. Rome, AD 225. IMP CAES M AVR SEV ALEXANDER AVG, laureate, draped and cuirassed bust right / PONTIF MAX TR P IIII COS PP, Emperor in military dress standing left, holding globe and inverted spear; S-C across fields.
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    150 eur - Caracalla Denarius Obv: ANTONINVSPIVS AVGGERM - Laureate head right. Rev: VENVSVICTRIX - Venus standing left, holding Victory and spear with shield. c.216 (Rome).
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    150 eur - Elagabalus Denarius Obv: IMPANTONINVSPIVSAVG - Laureate, draped bust right. Rev: LIBERTASAVG - Libertas standing left, holding pileus and scepter; star in right field. 220-221 (Rome). 3.1 gr
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    140 eur - Alexander Severus Denarius Obv: IMPCMAVRSEVALEXAND AVG - Laureate, draped bust right. Rev: PMTRPVICOSIIPP - Aequitas standing left, holding scales and cornucopia. 227 (Rome).
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  4. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    very good!
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    i've always been curious as to why there's ANTONIVS PIVS on several different emperors coins.
     
  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..comes with air conditioning?:rolleyes:
     
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  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    I bought this rather rare Trajan Decius antoninianus off the Gemini XIII unsold lots list earlier this year, where it was being offered at less than the auction's starting bid price.

    Dacia on the reverse holding a regular standard instead of the usual draco standard piqued my interest enough for me to have it join my other (regular and much cheaper) Dacia ants. It's from the collection of a Trajan Decius specialist, but I suppose sometimes we generalists like to feel "special" too... buys like these help :D.

    Trajan Decius - Dacia Rare Standard 1957.jpg TRAJAN DECIUS
    Rare. AR Antoninianus. 4.26g, 22.8mm. Rome mint, AD 251. RIC 36a (R); Cohen 25. O: IMP CAE TRA DEC AVG, radiate and cuirassed bust right. R: DACIA, Dacia standing left holding military standard.
    Ex Behnen Collection (purchased from Jonathan Kern, 2 November 2001
     
  8. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: $142
    (1 of 3 similar but with different devices)

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    Bruttium, Carthaginian Occupation
    AR Half-Shekel.
    3.26g, 19mm, 12h.
    Punic mint in Bruttium, circa 216-211 BC. Struck during the Second Punic War.
    Obv: Wreathed head of Tanit left
    Rev: Horse standing right; solar disk above, Punic letter 'ayin' below.
    Ref: SNG Copenhagen 361-3; HN Italy 2016.
    Very Fine.

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: $156

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    Campania, Capua AE Semuncia circa 216-211, Æ 18.4mm., 4.58g.Obv: Bust of Juno r., holding sceptre on shoulder. Rev: KAPV Two xoana draped. Ref: SNG ANS 215.
    Ref: Historia Numorum Italy 495.
    Comment: Rare. Green patina. Obv. Slighlty double struck; Very Fine/Good Very Fine.
    Ex: From the E.E. Clain-Stefanelli collection.

     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: Cost of coin, Plus: acquisition / auction fees, insurance, shipping / freight, customs / duties, and other costs directly attributed to capturing the Coin. Term is from Manufacturing / Procurement / Standard Costing of product and/or services.

    And yes, option packages do include air conditioning.
     
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  10. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    November 2001 was quite likely a Baltimore show where I always made Jonathan Kern's table a first stop. I never had enough money to buy all he had that I wanted so there were things I left that I should not have. I hope the Behnen collection got there before I did so I don't have to feel bad leaving it. I suspect it cost $50 then. Mr. Kern always had bags of bulk coins priced for picking. My coin below came out of his $50 bag. It is the slightly less rare TRA DECIVS legend but it was overstruck on a Geta denarius so was not one that I had to think twice about. I bought it from Jonathan in 1998.
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    There must have been a find of what was then thought to be Milan mint coins (later shown to be Rome when a die link turned up). I bought two TRA DEC coins within a year of that show but not from Jonathan. I have not seen as many of these lately. Perhaps they all went to the Behnen collection???
    $30
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    $44
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    These three are in what I would call my permanent collection. I'll keep them forever or die trying. Are these worth 3X 'normal' Decius coins? I say 'yes' for the middle one and 'more' for the other two. It is all a matter of opinion.
     
  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: $155
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    RR AR Quinarius 16mm 1.77g P Sabinus Rome 99 BCE Jupiter r E 3 pellets - P SABINE Q in ex Victory trophy E 3 pellets Cr 331-1

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: $130
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    KINGS OF PARTHIA, Orodes II, c. 57-37 BC
    AR drachm, 18mm, 3.3g, 6h; Ekbatana mint.
    Obv.: Diademed bust left, stars and crescent above.
    Rev.: ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΝ APΣAKY EYEPΓETOY ΔIKAIOY EΠIΦANOYΣ ΦIΛEΛΛHNOΣ, Arsakes I seated right on throne, holding bow; anchor behind, monogram below bow.
    Reference: Sellwood 48.9
    The Royal Wart is delivered by @John Anthony

    Fully Loaded Landed Cost: $145
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    RR AR Denarius 149 BCE Pinarius Natta Roma X - Victory Biga whip NATTA ROMA Cr 208-1 Syd 390
     
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  12. Agricantus

    Agricantus Allium aflatunense

    Hormizd II. $140 landed. Hard to beat that headdress. Maybe the Nezak huns get close.

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  13. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Thanks for your insight and for posting those examples, Doug. In the context of this thread, it's interesting to see the pricing of some coins from 15 years ago for comparison. That overstruck piece you bought from Jonathan Kern is really interesting!
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I really do not think the 15 years was the big difference here. My examples were just a few coins selected from hundreds in the stock of the dealers that supplied them. While I got quite a deal on them IMHO the other coins in those groups and hundreds of other groups that entered the market ten to fifty years ago sell today for prices not much more or even a little less than they did then. At the same show I bought special coins there were dealers with coins priced higher and worth less. Many of them are lost in my mind since they were not serious sources of coins or knowledge. The same day I bought the $50 overstrike from Jonathan Kern, I also bought ten other coins from his various groups ranging from $20 to $75 each. Each of those coins also came from bags with the same price but not worth buying in my opinion, on that day. None were identified. I doubt many of them sold for as much as I paid but went to dealers willing to take a hundred or a whole bag full. I do remember sellers who offered to grab at random ten coins, twenty coins or whatever from their bag - not my choice - for a lower price. I never bought coins that way. Today we see those same coins all written up, fully identified and priced like they were pick of the litter. I really miss those bags of coins from Jonathan and a few others who blurred the line between wholesale and retail.
     
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  15. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    My takeaway is that this is exactly where 15 years has made a difference. I don't doubt that most in the bags haven't moved much in value one way or the other, but I think these examples are showing that the way the market has changed, the best and the cherry-picked have. Again, I'm wishing I had been collecting 15 years ago!
     
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  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    We still cherry pick but now we decide whether we want a coin offered with no 'value added' service, another with scanty ID from a volume seller, one ex catalog auction or one that is certified and slabbed. The coins many be the same but the 'condiments' vary.
     
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  17. Jwt708

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  18. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    That's an interesting perspective about "condiments" Doug!
     
  19. Svarog

    Svarog Well-Known Member

    Philip I Sestertius: $130-ish including shipping Screen Shot 2017-06-26 at 7.44.48 PM.png
     
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  20. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    ~$150

    Justinian I, Byzantine Empire
    AE half-follis
    Obv: D N IVSTI-NIANVS P P AVG, diademed, draped, and cuirassed bust right
    Rev: Large K, star to left, cross to right, all within wreath
    Mint: Rome
    Date: 537-542 AD
    Ref: SB 301

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  21. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    My favourite Papius was what I consider a bargain at $160 from a German dealer in 2010.

    L Papius Denarius Serratus

    Obv:– Head of Juno Sospita right, wearing goat skin tied under chin. Behind head, Dolphin wrapped around anchor.
    Rev:– Gryphon running right; in ex., L. PAPI.; in field, Hippocamp
    Minted in Rome from . B.C. 79.
    Reference(s) – RSC Papia 1. RRC 384/1. RCTV 311.
    Symbol variety – RRC -. Babelon -. BMCRR -.

    A previously unknown symbol pair and the only known example.

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  22. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I agree. Well done, gorgeous piece at any fair price! The detail on the Anchor/Dolphin and the Hippocamp. I would love to have that one in my collection!
     
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