Coin without any number/figure?

How about this one? It seems to have no number or denomination on it.

 

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And nothing has been communicated but minutia.

 

How old is this?
(In this thread, it is already concluded that the older coins the less numerals, so, this coin too fits in this conclusion generalization till 700BC if it is younger than this. We don't know the coins before that date. However, there are "coins" (if called coin), "counting tokens", 9,000 years old and they have, imo, numerals on them.)

Not really so. CoinCorgi already contributed in coin&math pages of this thread by solving a math formula. And, he keeps contributing, you need to have "eye" to see "1" in "14".

SchwaVB57, you too had contributed, you were the first who posted in this thread and also, you were the one who asked the most important question in this thread by asking "how in the world the one cent is correlated with the work safety"? I had already answered a little, but, had not explained further. Explanation of coin&work safety is not so easy, it is not learnt so easily in a classroom, it is usually learnt by living and by experiencing. So, before coin&worksafety, it is better to learn other things. For example, coin&quality...

Coin&Quality...

After retirement, from time to time, I do a kind of freelance sourcing for industrial companies around the World. For example, a week ago, I was sourcing an industrial item to be made specially/custom made, for a client industrial company in Israel. I found a manufacturer company in Spain who can make it. After a while, this is our communication (names closed and shortened by "etc"):

***

Dear Erol,

With a 1 Euro cent coin in may pocket, I am enclosing both offers in Black steel and Galvanized after welding... etc...

Thanks,
xxxxxx

****

My reply:

Dear xxxxx,
Thanks.
With that 1 Euro cent coin in your pocket, pre-condition is satistied, the doubt about the quality of your product is less now and I can say this without seeing any sample. After seeing a sample, if there is any quality issue, I foresee now that it can be improved by you....
etc..

Regards,
Erol

****

The buyer company following this email conversation in Cc was surprised. They already started to talk about the price directly with the supplier company. As seen here, one cent coin already helped on the quality issue which is one of main problems in the business starting on the net. If they agree in terms, if deal is done, then, there will also be some work about coin&work safety before the work starts.

So, SchwaVB57, all these "coin&etc" are not bla bla things, already on the way, started, being done in the real life as well.

 

The information I see on Numista says it is 1847, although I assume they were produced for a number of years. It is a Cambodian 2 pe or 1/2 fuang coin.

 

1847? I just looked at the net to see what was happening in Cambodia those days. Another war period and start of French colonization. And, there is "garuda bird", a mythological "power" bird.

This 1847 is near past, in the known coin history of about 2500 years old (not counting 9,000 years old stone coins at this moment as little known about them.)
Another similar coin without numeral in the near past is, as mentioned by "Sakata" on the first page in this thread, Sovereing coin of Britain, for ex, this, dated 1821 https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/1821-crown-1-jpg.541062/

A question here. What DID a kid who lived in 1847 or 1821 and who started to learn what the money was LEARN first when he just saw these coins with no numerals at all? He learnt nothing about the Money/Coin, but, learnt what/who the "so-called powers" were... Lost years and lifes... in last 2,500 years that is well known today.

PS: By the way, even on coins with numerals, those "so called powers" have been highlighted on the coins and they have shadowed the numerals in these last 2,500 years, war dense centuries and we see this reality in the result today also in that NONE including the "powers(!)" of today has One Cent Coin in their pockets, this tells that "powers of today" too are fake powers... Many may hesitate to say such a thing, but, I do not hesitate to say this: (Ps: this is not a politics, as it covers all)

I do NOT respect any Presidents (elected or not, does not matter) of the World...
None of them has 1cent coin (or equivalents 1penny/1kurus/1kapik/1agora/etc.)...
(However, this is not a war against them or anyone, this is a constructive attempt to put the stones in their places first...)

 

I said this

Because of this

Some may say "What has this to do with NO respecting "Presidents/Powers"?"
It has... Presidents represent the folks in their local domains. So, they are leaders. But, they are not keeping their words, they are not men of their words. Maybe, they are unaware, so, they lack leadership character. But, they have teams, they have a lot of elite scholars around them. And, but, elite scholars do not have 1cent coin in their pockets, either. So, elite scholars are ignorants...

Having said these, then, how come they are "powers"!?
Are they really powers? Lets question this, the "power"...
(without getting disconnected from the coin...)

Coin&Power...

Lets dig this Sovereign coin a little, with a king on Head and a warrior on a horse, etc on Tail.
https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/1821-crown-1-jpg.541062/

This is a perfect example about a numeralless coin&power, actually, fake-power.

What is the power in this coin? King? Warrior soldier? What?
More important than this, is it really power-ty/smartness or poverty/stupidity?

(By the way, I guess there is/are some medical researcher/s among the members of the forum as we may need their comments on this subject also relevant to physics&biology.)

 

Not power, it IS stupidity, that we see on this coin...

I have a claim. Some, particularly horse/horse-ride lowers, may irritate now, but, sorry, it has to be said...

On the coins of last 2500 years, I see there are many horse and horse-cart coins.
One day in the future, we will be ashamed of all these.
Why? Because of tortures to horses?
If it was only that... There is worse...
Many diseases and disabilities such as spastisity in the kids have been because of tying horses and using them...
No, I have not read any research as there is almost no research about this except a few about horse flies spreading deseases.
So, sovereign on the horse is not power, but, stupidity...
What can you expect from those who do not know what the money/coin is, which is their own product of humans themselves.

 

Is there a one bit coin in his mouth!?

(This will be paid... Well, it has already been paid... over and over... Keep paying... Stupids...)

 

It looks like he got a neck pain. Probably because of collar coin on his neck...

Stupids do NOT have one cent coin in their pockets... Because... They do NOT know what the money/coin is...

 

rival "Central Park" in WhiteTown (Aksehir)

In both, there are

- horse cart
- statue
- tomb
- "Here is the Center of the World" Big Coin
- 1 kurus coin at the "Center of the World" coin. (No from this in NY CP)

 

I'm searching around Hodja tomb in cemetery, and finding 1kurus coin.

Some are searching, and finding jewellery shop in a tomb
https://www.livescience.com/60364-ancient-goldsmith-tomb-mummies-discovered-egypt.html

Hmm, that goldsmith couple lived 3500 years ago, in 15th century BC.
So, expect some unearthed gold coins that may change history of coin from 700BC to 1500BC, however, if archaeology prof digging there does not place them into his pocket.

 

Not to change the subject, but your link was to a forum of not about money at all, but for foreign PC users.
The "cent" is a satndard unit of currency for the U.S.A. by which the specific small cents were around since 1856 A.D. I'm unsure what you meant by liguistically & mathematically.

 

No, this too is in the subject. That forum members may have many foreign members, but, many of them are linguists, some of them are experts, meaning that they know the roots&etymologies of the languages/words more than people who speak languages without knowing etymologies etc. For example, there, discussion was about "money" as "abstract noun" and "concrete noun". If the word "money" is used as "abstract noun", then, "money" is uncountable. If it is used as "concrete noun", it is countable. For example, these are what they said/claimed. I had connected that linguistic discussion there to "mathematics", another abstract language which can also be concrete language. There is a relation between mathematics and language. For example, in counting, which (1/I or One) is used first is unknown, to me. So, when discussing "countability", narrowed to "countability of money", it should have been discussed from both sides, linguistically and mathematically and that was done there, till the mod there closed the thread.

True, I claimed same, the standard unit and only unit in the US is the "cent". However, as it is said everywhere, even on official fed gov website, it is also said that "dollar" too is currency "unit" in the US, linguists too said so. Then, there have been confusions in their minds of people. Calling dollar also as unit is a historical error. When you have more than one unit in the currency, then, of course, "money" is uncountable and "how much money" is used instead of "how many money". Mathematically, it can be easily proved (and done) that there is a mathematical relation between "dollar" and "cent", therefore, there are not two different unit names actually, there is only one unit name and it is "cent". When this is not seen clearly there will be two different nouns "dollar" and "cent" and then, it also becomes a subject of deep linguistics discussion. That's why I had to start "how much money or how many money" from mathematical point of view in which I am a little better and linguistic point of view in which I am not so good.

 

To summarize "un/countability of money" (specifically, by narrowing countability, to the money, with an example for the US):

If we write "nouns" in this set form:

US Currency:{dollar, half, quarter, dime, nickel, cent}...

then, it'll be a study of linguistics when each elements (dollar, quarter, etc) are considered as "noun", as if they are independent from each others, which is not. (such a set with independent elements can be written, for ex, fruit:{apple, orange, etc}, and it can't be simplified.)

However, in the money/currency, we know, there are mathematical relations between these "noun" elements (eg, 1dollar=2half=...=100cents). Then, our noun set becomes:

US Currency:{100cent, 50cent, 25cent, 10cent, 5cent, 1cent}

Can be further simplified as:

... US Currency:{cent, 1, +} ... in other words, in words----> USA Currency:{cent, one, summation} .....

In this expression, there is only one "noun" corresponding to "unit" name and it is "cent".

So, linguistically, this can be written:

... US currency:{cent} ... only one element... (So, "currency" is countable. This was also said in his email of math prof in US indirectly if you read his email in one of previous pages, however, he didn't say anything about "how much/many currency" as he said he never thought about it.)

Also, this can be written: US Money:{US Currency{Cent}} ... So, again, Money set too has one element. Therefore, "money" too is countable actually and correct form should (have) be(en) "how many money" instead of "how much money". Money math tells so. However, linguistically, there may be some other reasons in use of "how much money" that may still be correct, but, those reasons can not be related to "un/countability" of money which people everywhere explain so by using "un/countability" argument in the money, that is not correct.

 

Why are you encouraging him?

 

Eh, Trouble... As if I am gaining money here.
All money I have been able to find is 1 kurus...

If I were "smart", I'd have found some "major" coins like some did in Egypt today

 

I see I missed a point here, referring the date 1856.
I just learnt that before that year, there was also "half cent" which was last minted in 1857.
So, before 1857, currency unit in the US was not "cent", but, "half cent" (which can be written as single noun "Halfcent" not to confuse.) So, currency unit in the US changed in 1857 and it has been "cent" since then.