Scarce Julia Domna Denarius Addition

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Nice IVLIA DOMNA @nicholasz219 ! Great Ceres reverse.

    I have no Ceres, but only have a few to offer:

    RI Julia Domna 193-195 CE AR Den Vesta Palladium.jpg
    RI Julia Domna 193-195 CE AR Den Vesta Palladium

    RI Julia Domna 196-211 CE AE As Hilaritas cornuc RIC IVa 877.jpg
    RI Julia Domna 196-211 CE AE As Hilaritas cornuc RIC IVa 877

    RI AR Den Julia Domna 193-217 CE VENER VICT Venus RIC IVa p176.jpg
    RI AR Den Julia Domna 193-217 CE VENER VICT Venus RIC IVa p176

    RI AR Den Julia Domna 200 CE Felicitas Isis Horus RIC 577.jpg
    RI AR Den Julia Domna 200 CE Felicitas Isis Horus RIC 577

    Here is a Fouree version of the above:
    RI Julia Domna 194-217 Fouree AR Plated Den Isis Horus.jpg
    RI Julia Domna 194-217 Fouree AR Plated Den Isis Horus
    Ex: @Mat

    I believe I captured all of them (except the Fouree), from @dougsmit via @John Anthony ...
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

  4. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    LOVE all the posts guys!!!

    My example of Cybele and a very small lions head--- the reverse scorpion is LARGER:p

    AR Denarius of M. Plaetorius M f Cestianus, Rome mint 57 BC
    CESTIANVS behind turreted and draped bust of Cybele,
    forepart of a lion behind, globe below chin.
    M PLAETORIVS AED CVR EX S C; Curule chair within wreath, scorpion in left field.
    Crawford 409/2; Sydenham 408, Plaetoria 3.


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    And my last purchase of a Julia Domna with the Pietas reverse:

    AR Denarius of Julia Domna Augusta 194-217 AD., mother of Caracalla and Geta - IVLIA AVGVSTA, draped bust right / PIETAS PVBLICA, Pietas standing left, raising both hands; garlanded altar to left (3.68 grams, 20/17 mm) Laodicea ad Mar (Syria) mint 199-207 AD., under Septimius Severus, RIC IV 643 (Severus) RSC 156.



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  5. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    Yes, @zumbly those are some great coins. I am curious what you would get a coin like that for in a CNG e-auction. I look at their listings all of the time but feel sadly outclassed (or outpriced) on most of their items.

    Very nice coins, all. @dougsmit I know that the Ceres reverse is not the most scarce of denarii, but still scarce enough to get excited to find a nice example at a good price. Also that is a nice selection of Ceres coins from the eastern mints. It gives me something to strive toward.

    @Roman Collector I have definitely not seen Julia Domna asses for Ceres but then again I do not see much bronze from this period in general. I am not sure if it is because I don't really pay attention (I have my hands full with denarii) or if they are that scarce? What do you think?

    @Ancient Aussie Thank you for the compliment. It is very kind.

    @ominus1 Thank you for the compliment as well. It is not only a great coin but bought at a great price which makes it so much sweeter.

    @Deacon Ray Thanks, Deacon, that coin of yours is scandalously nice as well!

    @Mike Margolis and @Alegandron I like the discussion. I appreciate the coins and info.

    Sorry for the lengthy response, I was busy at work all day and did not want to leave anyone out. Also, I like how the discussions on here evolve so I learn something even in posts that I start. Good work, fellas.
     
  6. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    @Bing and @Mikey Zee also nice coins both of you.

    I can not remember where but it was a listing for sale of a JDomna Isis stepping out of boat holding Horus and it had her holding a box. I did not buy that coin.
     
  7. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Here's the auction listing for it: https://cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=320950
    I feel outclassed all the time. You'll never like it, but you'll get used to it :meh:.
     
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  8. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    @zumbly That's a pretty reasonable price actually. About what I paid for mine. I guess I just miss out on a lot of stuff that goes through there. I know that on Heritage I sort of miss out too because I flinch at the $19 in juice for a $20 coin.
     
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  9. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    Great coins everyone. My only Domna:
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  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    To be honest, I haven't had it out in some time. However, the last I looked it was holding okay.
     
  12. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Bronzes of Julia Domna--particularly those issued under Septimius Severus--are much less common than her denarii. Bronzes under Caracalla aren't as hard to come by, but are still less common than the denarii and antoniniani of this period.
     
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  13. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    really?.. i have a ae as of luLia Domna, but i'm not sure when it was minted. i consider it a limes denarius. how could one tell under whom it was minted?
     
  14. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    I've been adding to my groups of Domna silver lately, but since I don't have them photographed yet was going to bow out of showing anything. Then I remembered that I do have a photo of one of my favorite types for her. I like the series for her and the family that features them in pairs on the coins. These coins were issued during the period of joint reign of Septimius Severus and Caracalla both as Augusti (198-209).

    Reverse type: AETERNIT IMPERI
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    In addition to her bust on the obverse, the reverse shows Septimius facing Caracalla. This next example has a similar obverse, but the reverse shows Caracalla (l, laureate) and Geta (r, bare headed) face to face. JDom-den01-sm.jpg
     
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  15. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Post it and we will tell you. Coins under Caracalla use the obverse legend IVLIA PIA FELIX AVG. An as is much larger than a limes denarius so you can not be confusing the two. Bronzes also have SC on the reverse.

    Under Septimius:
    Early IVLIA DOMNA AVG
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    Later IVLIA AVGVSTA
    rl6290bb0049.jpg Under Caracalla:
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  16. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    those are very nice!
     
  17. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    Here's the bronze luLia Domna. It's 15 mm. I call it a limes, but..what do you think? luLia Domna ae 15mm 014.JPG luLia Domna ae 15mm 016.JPG
     
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  18. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    It's certainly not an As. It has the size and character of a bronze core for what would become a plated denarius, so it is either fouree or limes (and those two are not mutually exclusive). The LAETITIA reverse was used at Rome. I do not know the track record for semi-official production of official mint coins intended for local circulation only, which I consider to be true limes, but it's a candidate. I would only buy it as a fouree, however.
     
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  19. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The type was used at both Rome and Laodicea. I am not 100% sure that yours is not a silver coin that was buried in harsh conditions making the silver black clear through. The edge chipping at reverse right makes me think this could be the situation. The style is not Laodicea but could be a copy or Rome. In any event, I agree that the cash value of the coin is that of a fourree or limes (not much). I would call it limes realizing that I could be wrong.
    Laodicea
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    Rome
    rl5970bb1768.jpg
     
  20. lrbguy

    lrbguy Well-Known Member

    Boy do I feel stupid! I told you the Laetitia reverse was used at Rome, but the only example I have is from Laodicea. I'm showing it to see if we can see a pattern for comparison of your piece with the two from Laodicea and the one from Rome. L1045-3082158l.jpg
    It seems to me the bust on your example is closer in style to that of the piece from Rome than to the other two. Height of skull, frill at top of draping, maybe configuration of the lettering of the inscription (i.e. dot between the words instead of break?). I think the word AVGVSTA is completely to the right of the bust on your coin.
     
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