I wanted to discuss US Coins Literature. We could share thoughts and ideas and give recommendations. Right now I am reading the ANA Grading Standards for United States Coins. I desire to learn how to Grade coins. Right now I am consistently 1 to 2 points off up or down when I grade coins here on GTG threads and when I practice in person. As I am reading the ANA Standards I am somewhat overwhelmed. Lots of ideas to digest.
One of these years I'm going to find the time and money to make it to Colorado for the ANA summer seminar. I would love to take their grading class among others.
I, too, use the ANA Grading Standards, but more as a reference than anything else. One thing you have to remember about the grading services, nowadays, is that they employ market grading standards that can be a bit contradictory and confusing for the newcomer who employs standards such as those in the ANA book. Chris
I take that you are referring to technical grading vs. market grading. What are your thoughts on how coins get market graded? I still don't know what market grading is.
Well said. I use the ANA standards and guess a bit on what the services are going to say. There is another book I enjoy that was published by PCGS. Official Guide to Grading and Counterfeit Detection. I also enjoy The Art and Science of Grading Coins. It was wrote by Jason Poe. I'm proud to call him a friend and he is also a member here. We also have several members here that I call experts. I can't give names for fear I would leave someone out.
My thoughts? I'll leave market grading to the services. I don't want to get caught up in "who shot John". Chris
I went 3-4 years ago. I generally graded low because I found I was technical grading. I got better as the week went by. I closed the gap but still often finished up lower than what the slabs indicated.
PCGS has a youtube series as well about their grading which is like a crash course of the grading classes they do
In today's world a lot of people refer to it that way, but that isn't what it is. You see, the ANA actually invented market grading in 1986, when they completely did away with technical grading. Their standards are and have been based on market grading ever since then. But most people aren't even aware of that. Some around here are I suppose because I've written about it so many times. But as a general rule most think that the ANA standards are technical grading and the TPG standards are market grading. And so the two terms have become bastardized as so much numismatic terminology has and are often used when discussing the two different sets of grading standards. The difference between ANA standards and TPG standards is actually much simpler than that. Both utilize market grading, but TPG standards are much looser, much more lenient, than ANA standards are. And that's really all there is to it. And TPG standards are also in a constant state of flux, meaning they keep changing, getting more and more lenient with each and every change. You can pick pretty much any coin you want that has been graded by the TPGs and it will be grossly over-graded compared to what it would be graded based on ANA standards. And when I say grossly over-graded I mean by as many as 3, 4, 5, even 6 grades at times. I have seen the TPGs grade coins as MS67 that were really only AU coins. That's a minimum of 8 grades over-graded ! And that was back before they became as loose as they are today.
Books are great but just practicing with coins in hand is what really helped me improve a lot in the little over a year I've been at it. If you have local auctions go to them even if you're not a buyer. They'll have hundreds of graded coins out that they're happy to let you look over.
Speaking in general terms, and talking about today's world and not the past, ANACS and ICG are even worse, meaning more lenient, than either NGC or PCGS.
I did that at the Heritage Auctions at the ANA World's Fair of Money. I ended up looking at only MS-66 to MS-68 CC Morgans though! They were beautiful and I got a good feel how to grade at that high of level. MS-60 to MS-65 I still struggle with though. I have a dealer that would let me go through his graded Morgans. Will probably go up there this Saturday.
Wow, I assumed them to be the opposite. I have a guy from my coin club that teaches a coin grading class that I have attended a few times. He's old school and sticks to 1985 standards. He told me better to be conservative rather than loose on my grading.
66-68 Morgans especially have to really be seen in hand. You can only judge so much from pictures on the internet...I bet a lot of the ones you looked at in person wouldn't have near the wow factor in images, that's why I wouldn't be too worried about being a few points off with GTG's here. I know personally as I have a bunch of 65-67 morgans and I can't do them any justice with images.
The ANA grading standards have remained virtually unchanged since 1986. And that is based on a line by line comparison of those standards for every coin in every grade. In all that time there have been 2 changes, and those 2 changes were for 2 specific coins and only in 1 specific grade for each coin. All other standards in all other grades for those 2 coins remained the same. The coins were Indian Head cents and Buffalo nickels.
So the book only had 43 pages of reading before it gets to the catalogue of all coins. I'm going to the catalogue next, with emphasis on Ikes and Morgans. Any suggestions for my next book?