Is this authentic or?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Cyrrhus, Sep 2, 2017.

  1. Cyrrhus

    Cyrrhus Well-Known Member

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  3. GregH

    GregH Well-Known Member

    I'm pretty sure this is fake.
     
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  4. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Well, the listing states that it's tooled... which, as far as I'm concerned, is just about as bad as fake.
     
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  5. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    it has a hint of phony about it..
     
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  6. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    haha! the tooler had a bad case of OCD
     
  7. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    I would't buy it. There are so many good coins around.
     
  8. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Not tooled. Fake.
     
  9. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    It does look a bit 'off' but I think that is due to the 'tooling' and smoothing. The hair appears to have been extensively modified in comparison to the slight wear on the coin... the portrait just seems odd.
     
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  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Genuine but heavily tooled. Avoid it.
     
  11. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    Agreed
     
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  12. Pellinore

    Pellinore Well-Known Member

    What is the "Hunter Collection", by the way?
     
  13. David Setree Rare Coins

    David Setree Rare Coins Well-Known Member

  14. lehmansterms

    lehmansterms Many view intelligence as a hideous deformity

    I have been dismayed in recent years to see what are obviously "improved" large Æs - primarily sestertii - at or above a certain arbitrary level of grade or "eye-appeal" tending to bring as much as, and in some cases more than those which achieve the same eye-appeal without benefit of highly skilled modifications of this type. This seems to be most common mainly in certain European auction houses, but the occasional item will wind up on ebay, etc. The OC here is an example of something that probably wouldn't quite make that arbitrary standard (so would not be sold at one of those auction houses) "escaped" that market to wind up on catawiki. Who, exactly, has a hefty enough budget to buy these "toolies" while evidently caring more about some artificial standard of aesthetics than authenticity is hard for me to imagine. But I find no shame in admitting to being a "bottom feeder" and getting more of my collecting thrills from finding and acquiring significantly under-priced authentic examples, warts and all, so to speak.
    This trend towards highly sculptural altered coins seems to be becoming an art form unto itself. Although they hold no appeal for me, I wonder if we should not make an exception and recognize as its own separate venue the high level of artistry with which these coins have been created out of authentic, but imperfect specimens.
    Even so, I still can't see why anyone would pay what many of these will bring when similar money would buy quite decent, un-altered original and authentic specimens.
    What I'm envisioning the existence of is a system which has grown up in certain of the source countries where all the sestertius-sized coins have been, as a matter of course (as is obvious) picked out in the field, at the very beginning of the process of distributing bulk uncleaned coins.
    The ones which are of naturally high quality can go to sales venues without more than typical cleaning, but the majority of them which are worn, corroded and otherwise damaged large pieces go as "raw material" to established workshops in which they are altered by highly skilled jewelers/engravers/sculptors on what probably amounts to an assembly line basis. At least that's how I imagine such a large number of similarly altered pieces has been created.
     
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  15. Barry Murphy

    Barry Murphy Well-Known Member

    Tooled to the point that it's impossible to determine if it's a tooled authentic coin, or a fake which has been tooled.

    Barry Murphy
     
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