Coin without any number/figure?

Here's 50 cent.

 

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Only took 8 pages to get to this joke. Twice as long as I had guessed. Well done!

 

".... Kelvin Martin was known as '50 Cent' because he was very short and would rob anyone, no matter how much money they had in their pocket. ..." (ref: anywhere on the net.)

You can rob many for 50cent, but, you can NOT rob anyone for 1cent... that is a thing Nobody has in their pockets.

 

Sorry, but without visual photos of pictures, I could only picture a "V" nickel with a numeral "5" on the shield nickel. If you're speaking of American 5 Cents, they're copper/nickel metal, as in composition, and still as silver in appearance as dimes, quarters, and clad half dollars. I can guess "V" nickel and five cents being common for American nickels from 1885, 1895, 1905. Normally older shield nickels had a large number "5" some with rays 1867, and some without. I happen to have 21 catalogues of world coins, and can zap pics for your convenience. The first coin price is on the house. Welcome to COINTALK

 

Thank you

I can hear their voice of "CoinCorgi" and "Kentucky", saying, "Erol, look at his post of "ACoinJob" and learn, see how a Coin Talk is done here."

Ok, here is a 5 in my collection. Zapped its pic. An old 5, I don't know its exact date, maybe, May 2017. It is said to be made of nickel copper and zinc alloy, I didn't measure/analyse it myself. Figure depicted on it is "tree of life" which I didn't find a good fit to the 5, it could be better if it were on the 1. But, ok, anyway, while stones are not in their places, designers artists can't do their best, either.

 

The only info I have up to date is the 2013 (5) Kurus in the 2017 edition of the World Book of Coins, and I hope this info helps. You're welcome.

2013 is up to date. by ACoinJob posted Aug 24, 2017 at 6:06 PM

 

Having this https://www.cointalk.com/media/first-2017-p-lincoln-cent.5806/ in your pocket is sufficient, not to miss the "integrity" in all money you have. But, you show picture of its "Head" which is less important than its "Tail/Number".

(Ps: "not much money, but, many moneys" and the "cent" is the only "unit" of currency in the U.S. ('dollar' is not the 'unit' over there in the U.S.) are proved linguistically&mathematically in this topic here, conclusion in the last post of "garipx" - https://forum.wordreference.com/threads/how-much-or-how-many-for-money.3356019/page-2 - Fyi.)

 

Jabberwocky
BY LEWIS CARROLL
’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand;
Long time the manxome foe he sought—
So rested he by the Tumtum tree
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

“And hast thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!”
He chortled in his joy.

’Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

 

LOL. A classic!

 

Thad "Old" Europe... With lots of poets, intellectiuals, etc also in linguistics, I just saw they deleted the last post and closed this thread in this link below

where the last post there, was the summarizing proof post, that was saying the currency "unit" in the U.S. is not "dollar", but, "cent"... Maybe, the "old" royal English there preferred "Sterlings" to be talked instead of "Dollars", who knows. LoL. Always classics they are. They'll never know the money... is the 1.

 

Eureka!...

First, lets tell a little about the history and the prehistory (limited to the "coin" which can also be "stone".)

History: starts with the invention of writing (around 3000BC.) After writings including numerals were developed further, we now have numbers/numerals in figures, eg, "5" or "Five" on the coins. Lets leave a note here, the oldest know coin which is Lydian lion coin was around 700BC, that's, long time after invention of writing date 3000BC, but, still, we don't see any numeral (in figure or in word) as face value on that coin and not only on that, no numerals on most of coins for more 1000 years till 500ADs, either, even though there were "counting relations" between different coins, eg, 1denarius=16Ases, but, these were not clear on those coins as these numbers were not depicted on those coins.

Prehistory: all history before that date (3000 BC). However, we can take its start as 60,000BC (start of "stone" age) for our purpose here, for "countability" that makes a coin "money". Between 60,000BC and 10,000BC, it is early period of stone age. Between 10,000BC and 5,000BC, it is late period of stone age. Then, between 5000BC and 3000BC, it is "mine age" (cupper, bronze and iron age periods.) After 3000BC, "history" starts (with invention of writing.) So, history of "coin" is started, by numismatistcs, in this period, that means, "coin" is considered as a metal item, but, still with no numeral (in figure or in word), showing not clearly that those metal coins were really money or not. Whether they were really money or not is not so clear as they don't have "face values."

Having summarized these, "history" and prehistory", related/restricted to the "coin", NOW, I just saw these: (see attached pictures as two examples. pictures taken from here: http://www.historian.net/hxwrite.htm , webpage of Donald P. Ryan, a prof in archaeology.) On his this page, you can also see pictures of other similar "things."

And, on his that page, in a paragraph, he wrote this... <... We see the first evidence for this with incised "counting tokens" about 9,000 years ago in the neolithic ...>

COUNTING TOKENS!?... EUREKA!...
These 9,000 years old "counting tokens" are COINS which are "countables" by their "face values"... These are tokens in stones, not in metals, BUT, they still have "lines/notches/inciseds" which are similar to early Roman numerals (eg, III=3). So, these things which professor called "counting tokens" which clearly show "countability" of Money are real COINS... which means they were early forms of MONEY which was COUNTABLE and must be still Countable... (confirmation required if these lines/notches/inciseds are really numerals/face values or not. Anyway, prof Donald is being informed now about this post/thread with a link in my email to him.)

 

Actually before that, history was carried on by what is called "Oral Tradition"...kind of like the practice of gargling, which was passed down from father to son in a remote tribe in the Andes as part of their oral tradition...

 

It, the start of history/prehistory, is their definition of scholars, not my own definition. Where it starts , whether with the invention of writing or, as you said, with the oral is a deep topic. It is like a question that which speaks first, "hand or tonque". Nobody knows. Hand is relevant to writing/action/coin/concrete money/etc more while tonque is relevant to oral/abstract money/etc more (beside taste.)

Anyway. There is no objection to those inciseds in those stone "counting tokens" which are, to me, real coins, real money as their counting is made by those incised figures on them, eg, "IIIIII = 6". Here, the coin itself is not counted, inciseds on the coin are counted. It is just like what we do by counting money today. This way of counting has been shadowed by not showing numerals on the coins for a long time and also confusion had probably start after new notations such "V" in Roman numeral or "5" in Arabic numeral (instead of clearly writing "IIIII"). Because of writing with different symbols such as V or 5, people might have seen these numbers new to them were not countables like it is clearly countable in "IIIII", therefore, instead of "how many", "how much money" was used. Anyway, usual answers to "how much money" is 35 cents, 5 dollars, etc which are answers with countable money. So, money in "how much money" is not clear, it is indefinite, while answer to it is clear and definite.

1cent coin fits perfectly. It has one incised "I/1" on 1cent coin and also it is one piece of money. So, it does not matter whether you count inciseds /numbers on the 1cent coin or 1cent coin itself, same result, 1/one. Since it is the unit of money it is the most important coin.

Edited to add this: those 9000 years old coins (which archeology prof calls "counting tokens") are principally exactly same comparing with our "1cent" coin today (or, equivalents such as 1penny, 1kurus, 1agora, 1yen, 1kopik, etc)... This means when we have, for ex in the US, 1cent coin in our pocket it also means we also have that 9000 years old stone coin with one incised (I) on it in our pocket.

 

On that 2 rupees, I checked on the net, dated 2008, there are 3 bracelets on the wrist. It reflects India culture where the most popular investments are gold ornaments. What? I should have looked at the fingers? Anyway, it is a good helpful coin for those who don't know to read and write the texts and numbers including 2, but, they can read pictures like this, 2 fingers. Btw, those 2 fingers can also be read as Victory... Could it better if they put 1 finger on 1 rupee? No, because, then, there would have been endless discussions in the mint design office about which finger to be on it.

 

And if they had turned the hand around, that would be a rude gesture in some countries. BTW, most Indian jewelry is 22 K gold.

 

This is a rude gesture in this country, that is a rude gesture in that country, etc etc.

It seems that 1coins is a rude gesture in all countries.
Nobody taking and carrying them in their pockets in all countries, either they are too heavy to carry, or, too rude.
Yes, those 1coins must be too rude. (can someone lol for me, am too tired.)

 

Aaah, finally I can contribute something to this topic again. You will know this of course, but there are many Nasreddin monuments in Turkey, usually depicting him while he sits backwards on a donkey.

The story goes that, when people saw him sitting that way, they asked him why. His replies - pick any:

"If I sat facing forwards, you would be behind me - and if you chose to walk in front of the donkey, I would be hidden behind you. Either way, it would not work so well."

"It's not that I am sitting on the donkey backwards, the donkey is facing the wrong way."

"I'm just interested in where I have been coming from more than where I am going."

"The donkey wanted to go one way and I wanted to go the other, so we are compromising."

I am sure there are more. Anyway, about 20 years ago, the Unesco proclaimed a Nasreddin Hoca year, and Turkey issued a coin to commemorate that. Funny piece methinks.



Larger image of the coin above, and more Nasreddin coins:
1996: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces21402.html
2008: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces13572.html
2015: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces74579.html
2016: https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces92897.html

Christian

 

Please Don't encourage him!!

 

How dare you can say this here to a boss! "Chrisild" is the boss (Mod) here. I've got credit from him.
Well, this reminds me of another Hodja story:

A man wanted money from the Hodja on credit, but the Hodja said:
- “I have no money, but I can give you credit. How much do you want?”

***

Do you "Truble" think that I don't understand why your words are so discriminatory? Well, this too reminds me of another one:

Once upon a time the Hodja was a judge in Aksehir (that is the town where I am in) and one day a man came to him.
- Your cow has killed mine!, he cried.
The Hodja shouted:
- You silly fellow, how can the cow know that it is a crime to kill another cow. Case dismissed!
- Oh sorry, said the man. I said it wrong. My cow has killed yours.
- Then, this is another problem, said the Hodja. We'll open the black book and see what it says.

***

Ok, peace, lets drink a cup of wine or two together. (damn, it reminds me of another one.)

One day, a neighbor ("SchwaVB57?") said to "Truble":
- Have you a wine that is forty years old?
- Yes I have, replied the Truble.
- Can you give me a little, asked the SchwaVB57.
- If I gave a little to everybody asking for it, said the Truble, It would not be forty years old!.

***

(I have 9,000 years old one coin in my pocket and archaeology prof Donald did not care either beside math prof Dale who is not interested in, either. Maybe, time should be given to them too instead of one coin?. I guess, Chrisild has already got a one coin. Whoelse? Maybe, Kentucky too.)