Trade dollar 1877 s variant broken arrow

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  1. tresta

    tresta New Member

    Trade dollar 1877 s variant broken arrow
    Ideas about value?
    Has pvc stains (solutions?)
     

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  3. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    Acetone soak
     
  4. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Into acetone, stat. This coin will be destroyed within a year if it doesn't get treated.
     
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  5. tresta

    tresta New Member

    On various sites I've read of acetone but I have never tried it
    Am I using pure or diluted acetone in what percentage?
    how long?
     
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Pure. Don't worry acetone does not react with metals or natural toning. It just removes organics, and could sometimes affect artificial toning depending on how it was produced.
     
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  7. tresta

    tresta New Member

    How long do I keep it immersed?
     
  8. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    20 minutes to 24 hours
     
  9. Earle42

    Earle42 Member

    Acetone - used it on hundreds - literally - of coins.

    WalMart - copy/pasted from website:.

    "ONYX Professionals 100% Pure Acetone Nail Polish Remover, 16 fl oz" priced 2.48

    Don't substitute nail polish remover with fragrance and/or coloring added since these will leave a residue. Pure acetone will not.

    Soak time - paint/tape residue/glue normally come off within 30 seconds. When this does not work, I look at them after a few minutes. If it looks untouched or not to my satisfaction I leave in a covered jar so the acetone will not evaporate (smart anyway) it overnight.

    I do all of mine in a baby food jar with lid.

    Don't put this in direct sunlight and let it sit.

    For the technical minded - this acetone is rated/sold as 100% pure although the ingredients list one more substance: the bittering agent denatonium benzoate - the most bitter substance known. The agent is added so some whacko won't try to drink the acetone, but the amount added is so incredibly small that professional chemical standards still rate this as 100% pure acetone.

    I let some evaporate in a clear dish before I ever used this. There was no residue - hence the 100% acetone is what I use.

    All this is verifiable with research - just google the chemical name.
     
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  10. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    This variety is discussed in an Gobrecht Journal article (Issue#65 3/96) by Tom Delorey. No value given but it is a desirable piece. Have it conserved and slabbed at either NGC (tier fee + conservation charge) or ICG (tier fee only, no charge for conservation).
     
  11. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    That will be a beautiful coin, once it has a thorough Acetone bath. Nice coin, and too bad it was stored the way it was.
     
  12. tresta

    tresta New Member

    I am in Italy
     
  13. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    Congratulations, beautiful country.

    BTW, the Internet is universal. I suggest you go to Google and type in:

    "1877-S Broken Arrow Trade dollar." Then please tell us what you found and the price they go for as it will be a help to all of us here. Thanks.
     
  14. tresta

    tresta New Member

    There is not much on the internet in the results "1877-S Broken Arrow Trade Dollar".
    https://coins.ha.com/itm/trade-doll...ption-071515

    https://books.google.it/books?id=d5...rrows&f=true
    (Page 109)

    It was a Parma store here in Italy selling gold and collections but did not know it was a variant I bought it at € 170 in $ 200 dollars

    BTW?
     
  15. Insider

    Insider Talent on loan from...

    1877 S Trade Dollar | Coin Talk
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    1877 S Trade Dollar ... Large S. Blunt tail to R of DOLLAR: Breen-5811. ... My broken arrow, it looks unc (but ugly) to these eyes but what do I ...
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    Breen mentions an 1 877-S Trade Dollar variety with this serif missing in his encyclopedia 1 877-S Trade Dollar with Broken Arrow Shafts 19 as BR-#581 1 , but ...

    BTW = By the way.
     
  16. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    If you walk over to the paint dept. You can find pure acetone in a can. I recommend buying this as it is 100% pure and less chance of purchasing some product meant for nails.
    The cost isn't much more and you are 100% sure of what you're buying.
    Plus it's in a quart can in case you need to do the process several times in fresh product.
     
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  17. micbraun

    micbraun coindiccted

    NGC has offices in Germany and Switzerland. Go to ngccoin.it and search for "ngc europe" or send an email to Europe@NGCcoin.com

    I can recommend their conservation service NCS from my personal experience. And we all know that a trade dollar should be certified anyway...
     
  18. ksparrow

    ksparrow Coin Hoarder Supporter

    I agree, buy acetone from a hardware/home improvement store. I soak my coins for several hours in a glass dish with a small glass plate on top as the fumes are toxic and explosive. that coinwill need to have the acetone changed 2-3 times because that is a lot of pvc.
     
  19. tresta

    tresta New Member

    Once removed from acetone I let it dry on a cloth?
     
  20. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    Once removed from the acetone, it'll be dry before you can get it to a cloth. Acetone is extremely volatile - that's why we emphasize the caution necessary when using it - but the good part of that is it'll evaporate from a coin's surface almost instantly without leaving anything behind (as long as there was nothing suspended in it from the soak).
     
  21. TypeCoin971793

    TypeCoin971793 Just a random guy on the internet

    Einse it off and pat it dry with a towel. DO NOT RUB!!!
     
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