No. It is exactly what they say it is. Offering it for sale at a higher price than YOU think it's worth is not fraud. It's not theft. It's free enterprise as in you are free to not buy it.
If I had more time, and less self esteem I might bite. As it stands, I don't have the time, and don't need the agreement of an Internet economist/lawyer to to validate my opinion. YOU are welcome to "think" what you're saying has impact om my life/opinion. Doesn't make it so, any more than printing wishful thinking on a coin slab makes it so.
He was right. The coins are what they say they are. If facts don't matter to you than just say you don't care about facts and want to say whatever you want. Please save us the nonsense about you being to busy to respond or not caring about the forum, you obviously cared enough to post and then reply twice and now seem to be upset you were corrected.
Never said I don't care about the forum... I said I don't care about you, and the other guy's opinion. Considering the two of you are, once again, trying to claim something was in my post that isn't there, it's clear you guys either can't read, or are simply looking for a fight. I wasn't corrected - I was sniped by a pair of trolls. There is a differnce.
No, you were corrected for posting false information. You need to stop with the insults. There is no need for it.
Anyone who buys coins certified as "early release", "first strike", etc. are buying and collecting labels. The mint produces a significant amount of coins well ahead of the release date. They are put in storage and held until released. It is impossible to tell which were produced when. The labels themselves represent nothing to a real "coin collector". The real collector is interested only in the coin and what physical state it is in.
Real coin collectors collect however they want to. I don't care for many of the designations for it, but I will always have a pet peeve for people that say that people who like it aren't real collectors.
Baseball21, I meant no offense to you or anyone else. Just stating my opinion and I do recognize yours.
As reported in Coin World, they became available after a Dealer's order for 20,000 was rejected because the transaction could not be completed. Illustrative of the Mint favoring Dealers at the expense of Collectors who wish to purchase. No sense in chasing these in the aftermarket as they will most likely be available at less than issue price (as is usually the case with most Mint products) in the near future.
It's got to be more than that, it's still on sale - Thu, Fri, Sat. It will be fascinating to see the sales report thru Sunday when it's released Tuesday.
I'm really happy that more collectors are able to buy these directly from the mint. That's the way it should be. I wish the mint would care more about collectors and try to keep them happy.
I pitched edited to the heads of the mint that were there telling them that they should have a per person limit at the show so they don't run out the first day...like 2 per person no matter who you are...and give people who come to the show later a chance to buy some. If they have a bunch left on Saturday then blow them out to the dealers. Really sucks how the mint caters to the dealers and screws the little guys.
Amen. I have been on the email notification list for years and sometimes get the notification after items go on sale. The mint has always been catering to big business and dealers. I collected US Stamps and US Coins since 1948. The USPS started years ago printing wallpaper and trying to sell it to collectors and dealers. I quit stamps in 2000 because of the impossible number of releases each year. The US Mint is doing the same thing with their programs. And, when there is a limit, the dealers contract individuals to buy lots for them. It is getting to be too much for the average collector. I have seriously cut back on my US Mint purchases because of the volume.
Did the dealers get to order early? Or were they in the same line as everyone else? If they waited and ordered with everyone else, they received no special treatment.
Very good question...I walked in at the ribbon cutting and by the time I wandered thru a few tables, one dealer was pulling a cart full and his sons were both carrying all they could. I got to see the first box opened by them and was delighted with the quality. He offered me sets at $50 ea. and I said maybe later, but I never bought from him. I bought a couple sets from a friend for $34.50, and then the next day from the Mint at cost. I think his kids ran to the Mint sales booth and were first or close to first in line. They knew exactly where to be and what to do. Just like Wall Mart on "Black Friday" if you ask me. I guess thats how to get the job done! I didn't want to spend hours in the line, like many others did...more coins for me to see on the floor anyway, so no big deal. Many of these sets werewtaken immediately to the graders for First day, First strike, labels, etc. I guess flippers do well with these fancy labels, but I like the coins in their OGP. It would be nice if the coins could be graded in their OGP like the GSAs can.