Radiate or Laureate?

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by Ken Dorney, Jul 30, 2017.

  1. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Having some trouble properly attributing this coin (my new glasses wont be in for a week!). Is this obverse laureate or radiate? Based on the reverse it should be this coin here:

    http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/7069/

    But the obverse looks kind of in-between laureate and radiate. Cant tell. Opinions?

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  3. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Laureate for sure.
     
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  4. Hispanicus

    Hispanicus Stand Fast!

    I'm with VK and vote laureate.
     
  5. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Laureate, it has the ties.
     
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  6. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Yes, but the RPC radiate example also has ties.

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  7. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    The laurel leaves are clear.
     
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  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Laureate in my opinion.
     
  9. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    I wanted to get opinions before I submit it for publication as it seems a new type.
     
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Well, it certainly doesn't look like the photo in RPC, but I see a hint of spikes on a radiate crown:

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  11. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    I see this....

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  12. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    That is exactly what I see. Honestly I do think it is a radiate of some form (maybe just a bad celator?). I have only been able to track down one other example, from Peus:

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    I think the same obverse die for sure but not the same reverse. Peus avoids the issue by not giving a good description, just "head" as the obverse!
     
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  13. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

    Ooooh, not seen those before, learned something else today, thanks Ken.
     
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  14. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Well, it's interesting!

    At first glance I was sure it was radiate but as RC and Ken noticed, there are hints of spikes in the head gear.

    Maybe it is just the product of a confused engraver.
     
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  15. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    This could be the likeliest possibility. There are countless examples of where a celator began to do one thing, then ended up in a different direction leaving some interesting results. I am just not sure if it worth submitting or not.
     
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  16. maridvnvm

    maridvnvm Well-Known Member

    So here it may take on this one. Could those lines be part of a metal band / frame to which the laurel leaves were attachedon the model being used here? They would be a continuation of the structure I started to highlight in yellow.
     
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