Problem with ID coin

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by lehu, Sep 25, 2007.

  1. lehu

    lehu New Member

    Hello everyone :) ,

    I am newbie here and newbie in coin too [​IMG]
    I got that coin pic and I am trying to identify that coin without results [​IMG]
    That coin is in half in bad condition and i have problem with read letters.
    I can only suppose that is a Greece's coin, maybe on one side is Zeus's head and on other side i see inscription "...OGST-SVP..." ...and that's all. It's made of gold (test about 0.900).
    I don't know what that coin is.
    If someone can help me i will be grateful for that help.

    update (sharpen for more details :smile ):
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    Peter
     
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  3. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    I don't know anything about coins from this era but I can tell that it isn't Greek, it doesn't have Zeus on it, and the first picture is upside down. I also think the OGST is OAST I believe the second letter is a medieval A. (But I could be wrong)

    If you note the figure on the second picture you will see that he has a halo and his scepter is topped with a cross. A Christian image which may represent the King as head of the church, or possibly a representation of Christ himself, although I normally associate that with Byzantine coinage and I don't think this is from that period. (Usually the Christ image is much larger)
     
  4. Dumanyu

    Dumanyu World Coin Collector

    Byzantine possibly?
     
  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Think it's from one of the German states, maybe Austria - an early gold gulden I believe. Will have to dig thru the books to find it. Pretty sure the legends read -

    obverse - PMTO.UNT IOD--TN ( the -- indicates blanks I can't make out )

    reverse - RET.A.I LOGST.SUI
     
  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Thought so, gold gulden - Germany, Mainz Johann II 1397 - 1419; minted at Bingen or Hochst. St John standing; reverse arms of Mainz-Nassau and small arms of Cologne and Trier. Fr.1616
     
  7. lehu

    lehu New Member

  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    What more would you like to know ?
     
  9. J.Cordeiro

    J.Cordeiro Coin Geek

    GDJMSP, Just out of curiosity, what would you estimate its value at?
     
  10. lehu

    lehu New Member

    Something like that :)

    Have you a reverse photo/picture ? On my photo I see only one arms. And that looks like arms of Rheda-Wiedenbruck ( http://www2.rheda-wiedenbrueck.de/stadtportrait/sp_auto_12328.cfm ) only it's looks like reflection in the mirror.
    But mb you have better source :)

    edit:
    ok, now i see there one big arms and two very small :]
     
  11. lehu

    lehu New Member

    At last :) I have found the same.

    http://www.muenzauktion.com/siee/item.php5?lang=en&id=70813002&catid=62&curr=USDEUR
    and next:
    http://someoldcoins.org/saur/1/1238.htm
    http://coins.azz.cz/showmince.php?GroupID=7&MinceGroupNr=233&lng=2

    So, on sites are all info.

    Price is 575$ ...dunno is that good deal. Is there any price in your source GDJMSP ?
    btw. Someone told me that "The coin was minted 1413 - 1417" and " this is a Goldgulden from the Erzbistum Mainz."

    edit:
    http://www.peus-muenzen.de/aukdo/Au...Id=5&ik1=00027&ik2=Auktion_372-373&id1=622683
    http://www.peus-muenzen.de/aukdo/Au...Id=5&ik1=00027&ik2=Auktion_372-373&id1=622126

    on 1'st site price was 395 euro ...on next 200 and 250 ...so i guess that 575$ was good price for vendor :)
     
  12. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    About the only thing I didn't tell you in my first post was the value.

    Germany, Mainz - this tells you the country and the province or state in that country that issued the coin

    Johann II 1397 - 1419 - this tells you the ruler and the years of his reign, the coin was issued under his authority

    minted at Bingen or Hochst - this obviously tells you the mints that produced this coin in the province of Mainz.


    St John standing; reverse arms of Mainz-Nassau and small arms of Cologne and Trier - this tells you the design of the coin

    Fr.1616 - this is the Friedburg number for this coin. It comes from the book Gold Coins of the World - Ancient Times to Present by Friedburg - 7th Edition.

    As for value, I'd say it is worth about $400.
     
  13. Jako lipo

    Jako lipo New Member

    its in great shape!
     
  14. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic



    I would pay about $700 for that coin in Europe, but in America, prices are different
     
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