A nutritional numismatic snack: pine nuts

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by TIF, Jul 26, 2017.

  1. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Well, really a pine cone but there are nuts in there somewhere :D

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    IONIA, Metropolis [or Miletos]
    c. late 2nd century BCE [or 1st century BCE]
    AE 12, 1.8 gm
    Diogenes, magistrate
    Obv: turreted head of Kybele right [ or turreted head of Tyche right]
    Rev: Pine cone; monogram in left field; ΔIOΓE downward in right field
    Ref: Ashton, R. and P. Kinns. “Opuscula Anatolica III”, 7, in Numismatic Chronicle, 2004. [or SNG von Aulock 7926 ("pine cone"); SNG Copenhagen 907 ("thyrsus head")]

    This target came to me uncontested and was the at the lowest estimate tier for the auctioneer, so I was delighted to garner this unusual coin for a low price.

    Pine cones are seen on a number of coins but they are small devices, only identified in context. For example, provincial coins of Anatolia depicting the moon god Mên often show him holding a little round object identified as a pine cone.

    This however is a tiny bronze coin with a large pine cone taking center stage. Why do I care? I don't know! It just struck my fancy and I love it.

    There don't seem to be many in archives-- I found 5-- although there were a couple of other coins with solo pine cone reverses from Skamandria (Troas). On those, the pine cone isn't as recognizable as such.

    I don't own the references for this coin and there seems to be disagreement about the place of origin. Ashton & Kinns' work is more recent, so I'll probably catalog it as from Metropolis for now. Isn't it fun having coins which have some question marks attached? Maybe someday more information will come to light.

    Post your pine cones (haha... although I know some of you have coins of Mên showing him with a pine cone). Add any coin you feel fits the vibe of this thread, as usual :)
     
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  3. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    Wow - cool little bronze! I love it.
     
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  4. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Interesting coin @TIF, I have not seen that one.
    Sadly I have none, but what about an acorn?

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    Ostur
    1st c. BC
    AE Semis
    Obvs: OSTVR below acorn.
    Revs: Two palm branches.
    19x20mm, 6.88g
     
  5. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    An acorn?? Excellent!
     
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  6. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    Nice TIF! I love it. The pine cone reminds me of the ancient bronze cone in Rome that used to sit in front of the old St. Peter's and is now in the Vatican museum.
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    I think there is a superman joke in there somewhere but I'm lazy today ;)
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Gorgeous and COOL coin @TIF ! I use the criteria of capture (outside of History), as: TOTAL COOL - GET IT NOW!!! :D

    Since I have been exposed to, and have hit several DEER where I have lived, and now live again... I akin the DEER as a VEGETABLE with EYES. Yes, they are VERY stupid animals... SOoooo, since I do NOT have a Pine Cone, I will post a similar living being: A DEER coin...

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    RI Salonina wife of Gallienus 254-268 CE AE Ant 3.61g 20mm Rome mint 267-268 CE crescent Deer Walking delta RIC 15
     
  8. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Sheesh @TIF You already have me chasing turtles, monsters, obscure deities etc etc and now TREE NUTS?!?!:mad:;):D

    Seriously, Congrats on yet another COOL addition!!:)
     
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  9. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Did someone say "pine nut"?

     
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  10. LaCointessa

    LaCointessa Well-Known Member

    or a Texas joke...
     
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  11. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    Dante references this very pine cone in Inferno 31, comparing the face of the giant Nimrod to the size of this cone. Nice to gaze upon the very object that fired Dante's imagination:

    "His face appeared to me as long and large
    As is at Rome the pine-cone of Saint Peter's,
    And in proportion were the other bones..."
     
  12. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

  13. TIF

    TIF Always learning.

    Yes!! That's the reason. The little girl totally gets it :D

    Nice job digging that correlation from your head, Gavin! And nice picture, @Curtisimo :)

    I loved that movie and everything else by that ensemble :). Spinal Tap? So funny, so spot-on.
     
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  14. David Atherton

    David Atherton Flavian Fanatic

    Nutritious? Well, you got to have your grains too.

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    Vespasain
    AR Denarius, 2.98g
    Rome mint, 77-78 AD
    RIC 980 (C), BMC 216, RSC 216
    Obv: CAESAR VESPASIANVS AVG; Head of Vespasian, laureate, right.
    Rev: IMP XIX across field; Modius, standing on three legs, containing five ears of corn upright and two hanging over the sides
    Acquired from Zeus Coins, January 2008.
     
  15. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish)

    That's awesome! I wasn't aware of the reference in Dante. I had to explain to the people I was with why the bronze pine cone was so special. The Vatican Museum can be somewhat of a sensory overload with so many fascinating objects to look at. It's easy to miss stuff but I'm glad I stopped and got some good pictures of this one :)
     
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  16. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    What a cool little coin... the foresty green colours are lovely. And frankly you can't lose with either pine cone or thyrsus head. But yes... PINE CONE!
     
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  17. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    @Curtisimo, that pinecone is one of the few remaining connections to the Old St. Peter's. Old line drawings show it as part of an atrium fountain in the courtyard of the old basilica. That's how Dante would've encountered it.

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  18. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    A very neat coin Tif
     
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  19. ValiantKnight

    ValiantKnight Well-Known Member

    Man I definitely need to get back into smaller Greek coins. Some of my favorites among my few Greek coins are the little ones :D Cool coin TIF!

    Not directly related to your coin TIF but I feel like, being a creature of nature, the satyr would have chowed down on some pinecones every now and again.

    Thasos, Thrace
    AR trihemiobol
    Obv: Satyr kneeling left, holding kantharos
    Rev: ΘAΣ-IΩN, amphora
    Mint: Thasos
    Date:411-350 BC
    Size: 0.82 gr
    Ref: SG1755v

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    Some eat them and some throw them:

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  20. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Cool coin @TIF - I've never seen an ancient with a pine cone!
     
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  21. ancientone

    ancientone Well-Known Member

    That is a cool coin. I wonder what the significance was to Metropolis or Miletos. Here is the aforementioned Mên type.

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    PRO: PAMPHYLIA
    PO : ATTALEIA
    PZ : Between 205 and 208
    Obverse
    VSG: .. ANTWNEINO..
    VT : PORTRAIT MAN R / CARACALLA
    VA : WREATH LAUREL / CLOTHES
    Reverse
    RSG: ATTALEWN
    RT : MAN STANDING HL(1) / MEN(1)
    RA : FOOT / ON / BUKRANION / PINE-CONE(1) / PHRYGIAN CAP / CRESCENT / STAFF(1)
    Technical details
    M : AE
    GEW: 10.17(1)
     
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