Little teeny M Morgan mint mark

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  1. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    I just found out today that the Morgan $ has a little tiny "M" in the neckline, by the hair. It obviously means, the head engravers name Morgan.

    After many years of collecting this coin and reading countless texts about it. Guess what?

    I had absolutely no idea what so ever about this haha lol.
    You are never above learning. Although, the "M" is very small and kinda hard to pick up, on some coins.
     
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  3. dcarr

    dcarr Mint-Master

    There is also an even smaller "M" on the left side of the wreath bow on the reverse.
     
  4. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    Wow! I feel like a fool. BTW love your work.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    Yes, though the "M" is not a "mint mark".

    It is more correctly called a designer's initial.

    On a similar theme, check out the tiny "D" on this Pilgrim half dollar.

    It's right beneath William Bradford's elbow, just to the left of the larger "D" in the word "DOLLAR". It's not a Denver mintmark - these coins were all struck at Philadelphia, with no mintmark.

    In this case, the "D" is the initial of the designer, Cyrus E. Dallin. What's funny is that I once saw a Pilgrim half in an Accugrade (ACG) slab that said "1921-D" on the label, as if the "D" were a mintmark.

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    (PCGS coinfacts.com image)
     
  6. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    Yeah, I should of said the engraver of the Morgan = M.
     
  7. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Want your mind blown... There's also a bears paw on Morgans :)
     
  8. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    ??? What
     
  9. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    It's a VAMmers secret ;)
     
  10. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    If the "M's" not there...beware.
     
  11. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    2 of them...this may be helpful...look from 4 to 5 oclock.

    Morgan diagram.jpg
     
  12. fish4uinmd

    fish4uinmd Well-Known Member

    Foe example, if a description says "die crack from left star 3 to text stop", you will know more precisely where to look.
     
  13. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    Shhhh. The second one is a even more closely guarded secret!
     
  14. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    Morgan initialed some of his other engravings. One is the stunning shield earring design. See the link below for one coming up for auction. Save your pennies, and if they're high-grade 1909-S VDBs, you might be able to buy it. :)

    Cal

    link: https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/lots/view/3-7WJJ7
     
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  15. HAB Peace 28 2.0

    HAB Peace 28 2.0 The spiders are as big as the door

    Which 1899 Micro O variety is considered the best to own?
     
  16. Cascade

    Cascade CAC Grader, Founding Member

    I believe it's between VAM 5 & 32 but I don't typically go after them unless I find one in high grade so maybe @messydesk can add some clarity. Any in AU or better is a killer find
     
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  17. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    Sounds like something i'd write in my coin book. Funny stuff
     
  18. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    One in a PCGS slab.
     
  19. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    VAMs 5 and 32 are the toughest, 6 is probably the easiest. Any in AU and higher are tough, and pop tops of any of them are 5-figure cons.
     
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