Lysimachus Tet die matched Obv, Uncertain mint

So, I saw this coin and thought...hmmm looks familiar, and almost looks like a coin I once sold. I got it half right. I had seen the face before, but on a different coin. I found the other coin eventually (see the final two photos) (the roma auction and the CNG auction)

So I bought it. It is a die match to the coin(s) from CNG-Roma. I've been looking for this level of portrait for awhile. The reverse was not too shabby either.......I hope.




KINGS of THRACE, Macedonian. Lysimachus. 305-281 BC. Uncertain Mint. AR Tetradrachm, 16.59g (33mm, 12h). Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, with horn of Ammon / Athena Nikephoros seated left, left arm resting on shield, transverse spear in background; no control marks. References: Thompson –; Müller –; Mektepini 232 (same dies)
Grade: Traces of horn silver and slight roughness on obverse, a couple light marks on reverse @ShannaS Shanna Schmidt Numismatics.




CNG

KINGS of THRACE. Lysimachos. 305-281 BC. AR Tetradrachm (30mm, 16.99 g, 1h). Uncertain mint. Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, with horn of Ammon / Athena Nikephoros seated left, left arm resting on shield, spear behind; no control marks. Thompson -; Müller -; Mektepini 232 (same obv. die). EF, toned. Good style.

Thompson 242 records a type without control marks attributed to Pella, but the style and fabric of this piece is distinctly different from the norm at that mint.

Same CNG coin at Roma


Kings of Thrace, Lysimachos AR Tetradrachm. Uncertain mint (Pella?), circa 305-281 BC. Diademed head of the deified Alexander right, with horn of Ammon / Athena Nikephoros seated left, left arm resting on shield, spear behind; ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ to right, ΛΥΣΙMΑXOY to left, no control marks. Thompson -; Müller -; Mektepini 232 (same dies). 17.04g, 30mm, 12h. Extremely Fine. Very attractive style. Ex Classical Numismatic Group 87, 18 May 2011, lot 276.


On a side note, my family should not leave me alone on vacation.


I know everyone has a Lysi they want to post................so go ahead.

 

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Very pretty style indeed! And nicely centered on a broad flan. Good catch I really like this issue from Lampsakos so I didnt hesitate for long when it appeared on auction last year.

 

That is a very well done obverse. Impressive in features, and so well executed......and you have a full flan.

 

Gorgeous style, 4to2!! I'd love to have a Lysimachos tet from those dies. They're all lovely but you found an exceptionally artistic die, twice! (Meander found another fantastic one

 

Gorgeous POSTS!!! Both are SUPERB!!!

I have an example...but a 'budget' example I snagged from an independent seller on FORVM:

 

Beautifull sharp Lysimachos tet, congrats 4to2centBC

Here's my middle of the road tet:

 

Well if your gonna twist my arm about it

 

That's a pretty darn gorgeous Lysimachos!

 

Cool tet @Andres2. Do you know what the significance of the herm statue is? Was it part of the mint mark? I might need to go read through Thompson again

 

My lonely Lysimachos tet has spiral on throne.Possibly Lampsacus..

 

Spectacular!!! Mine (Lampsakos mint) doesn't belong on the same planet, much less the same page.

 

Very very nice @4to2centBC ! Excellent Tet...


Silver tetradrachm, 14.309g, maximum diameter 28.7mm, die axis 180o
Ephesus(?) mint, c. 294 - 281 B.C.;
Obv: diademed head of Alexander the Great wearing the horn of Ammon
Rev: BAΣIΛEΩΣ (king) ΛYΣIMAXOY (Lysimachos), Athena enthroned left resting arm on shield, transverse spear resting against right side, Athena holds Nike crowning name with wreath, ΣΠE(?) monogram under her hand
ex: Roma Numismatics e-auction 5 (23 Feb 2014), lot 353; Forum
extremely rare
Ref: Apparently unpublished; Müller -, Thompson -, SNG Cop -, SNG Tübingen -, Armenak Hoard
Comment: VF, high-relief unusual style portrait, toned, tiny flan crack, light marks
This coin was previously attributed as Thompson 166, but that type has a bee under Athena's arm and a similar, but not identical, monogram in the exergue. We were unable to find another example of this type.

 

wonderful coins!!

 

Congratulations on the coins 4to2!!! I have been looking for a Lysimachus to go with my Alexander, so I know how many coins you must have passed up before finding one you liked.

 

I am hijacking my post. I have found another obv die example with a similar wear pattern. I am lining them up here for my own amusement. All three have the same obv die. Two have the same reverse die, one has a slightly diff reverse. All reverses without control marks.....thus Uncertain Mint.

So...same Uncertain mint??
Were these hammered out together and the reverse die was changed out?

All these coins came from CNG originally, two appear again in Roma Auctions. I don't know what the result was for the Roma auctions. The third is the OP coin.





Thoughts?....

 

Reverse die is hammet die correct, obverse is anvil? If so, reverse dies typically are shorter lived. Would make sense to have same mint, same obverse worth two, or more, reverse.

 

Here are a couple of my tets. I really like the style of the second coin

 

I like the style of both @1934 Wreath Crown

 

Thanks Bing. I meant Athena is really laid back and arty!!!

 

The second Athena looks like an exhausted mom tired of holding up her kid in her hands. Probably in need of a little vino.