Die break,crack or defaced

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  1. chromerunner

    chromerunner ******

    Can someone lead me in the right direction here as to what I'm looking at.


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  3. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Looks raised, which would mean damage to the die.
     
  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Damage to the die or an attempted canceling?
     
  5. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    Strange way to cancel a die. Is it indeed raised??? (As it appears to be) even stranger if was not a cancelled die.
     
  6. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It looks raised to me.
     
  7. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    Could it be graffiti? Sometimes when a coin is scratched metal can get moved and make it appear to be raised. I hope it's a die defect though!
     
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  8. Shirl1669

    Shirl1669 New Member

    I have never seen anything like this before. IMO I would have someone look at it. Heritage Auctions.com is a good place to have it looked at. They won't grade it though. I would go there and they do it for free. Hope this helps.
     
  9. Paddy54

    Paddy54 Well-Known Member

    PMD a knife cut at a low angle forcing the cut area to rise. If cut at 90 degrees the metal would spread left to right. Cutting at a low angle the metal is pushed upwards making it look raised.
     
  10. Johndoe2000$

    Johndoe2000$ Well-Known Member

    After looking at a larger expanded pic, (instead of phone) I agree with paddy54, and nsp above, looks like cut with a blade or similar. IMO.
     
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  11. Shirl1669

    Shirl1669 New Member

    Well, that is too bad. could have been a possible error coin. I still sudest Heritage Coins for a real opinion. That is what I would do if it were mine.
     
  12. chromerunner

    chromerunner ******

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    Imo I think for the raised amount of material I'm seeing the depth of the cut should look deeper or darker to be a pmd cut....

    But now I have my doubts.

    I'll update once it's in hand next week. If it's pmd by a knife or sharp object it should be pretty clear in hand under a loupe


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  13. SuperDave

    SuperDave Free the Cartwheels!

    It circulated since the cut. That process mashed some of the raised metal back down, lowering the relief and partially covering the gouge created by the cut. It happens to virtually every example we see of this phenomenon, and we've seen hundreds.
     
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  14. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    Paddy54 and SuperDave have the best explanations
     
  15. steve.e

    steve.e Cherry picker

    It's been cut. I'd say 99% sure
     
  16. messydesk

    messydesk Well-Known Member

    Absolutely knife cuts.
     
  17. Ordinary Fool

    Ordinary Fool Active Member


    What would it hurt to snap a few more pictures taken from various angles and not directly overhead to show what you are seeing? Ohhh, I see, you don't have it in hand.
     
  18. chromerunner

    chromerunner ******

    In hand, held at an angle it's clear. Defiantly damage from a cut.
    Good thing I purchased it for the toning on the reverse.

    Thanks for the help/reviews.



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  19. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Final question - on something like this, would it be better to leave it alone or buff/abrade/whatever the marks out?
     
  20. NSP

    NSP Well-Known Member

    If it were me and the X really bothered me I'd probably "fix" the marks by carrying it in my pocket and letting it wear down. Obviously this wouldn't work that well if the scratches were particularly deep, but I think that's probably the only numismatically "legal" way to fix it.
     
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  21. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Yeah, I offer the alternative suggestion to buff out the damage and carry it around till it looks better.
     
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