Grades for Morgan dollars.

There's not logical arguments to be made when you state that one of the finest known Morgans is "absurdly AU". You either need a lot of grading work and/or are just trying to trash the TPGs when you are that FAR off reality

 

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It may be one of the finest, but, those pictures do not remotely show a MS69 coin regardless of what kind it is or who graded it.

I'm looking at the pictures of the coin supplied, I don't care what the slab label says.

I have absolutely no idea what you are looking at which has to be something besides the coin shown by clicking the link in this thread.

MS69 with a plethora of rub marks and luster breaks? Nah.

 

Yet the video from heritage which really isn't even that good clearly shows none of what you speak of.

Logic would also tell you that when a company has graded millions of morgans and only 10 have gotten MS 69 and the coin in question is the ONLY MS 69 PL that it is not an AU coin.

As @Insider would say you need education about grading. Personally I think you are just trying to trash the TPG from your comments the other day but it's probably a bit of both

 

I don't care what you think. I don't care if you are lacking impartial objectivity on this specific matter, which is amazingly simple.

The photographs DO NOT show a MS69 coin, period.

You didn't post a video, still haven't, and you certainly seemingly could while only now eluding to one existing.

I will however, accept your concession that this alleged video you state exists and qualified by you as "really isn't that good", yet, "clearly shows none of what you speak of" as being your admission that the coin shown in the link provided does not present as MS69, regardless of it being an accurate and faithful representation of the coin in question or some quite unusual photographic errors.

I assume you indeed looked at the huge and crisp pictures of the 1880 S found at the link provided in this thread. No, I know you have and are fully aware of exactly of which I speak.

You do not dispute, not once, there being what appear to be rubs on the high points and breaks in the luster. You just tell me I am full of bull because this coin was graded MS69. Save that for somebody more malleable to your blind appeals to authority as opposed to what my eyes quite simply and surely see.

Gee, we gained some ground by my being reasonable for you.

Now stop attacking me as a person, making conjecture seeded in your wild imagination speculating as to my non-existent motives, and see if you can stick to the very simple subject matter.

And yeah, you certainly need back up and feel free to play bother the mods with PM's since you certainly are having a tough time standing on your own with this non-issue.

 

Have you even looked at the Heritage listing or do you just want to blindly bash the TPG? There are CLEARLY videos right there....

 

KABOOM! This is a fun thread to read. OP, trashing the TPG companies will make you fit right in here with a lot of folks. I just got some grading results today and was shocked by a few. One that I pegged as an AU58 got an MS63. And one that I had at AU50/53 got XF45. Go figure.
Aside from that, I personally would give the coin a MS67 PL based on the pics, but prooflike coins are not easy to photograph in the plastic. So seeing it in-hand could change my mind in a heartbeat (and yours, I suspect). Besides, it sold for $100k, kind of low for the given grade if you ask me, but appropriate for this softer market we've been in for a couple years now.

 

I said what I looked at and stated it quite clearly. I looked at the photos found at the link, front and back, on a huge monitor and blew it up from 14 to 100%.

I certainly had zero interest in doing any further research and still don't. I am only speaking to the images provided and your qualifiers of the video doesn't motivate me to go look at it.

This makes me qualified to speak to the pictures and I owe you or nobody the time to look at crappy videos of the coin.

Frankly, I don't even care, have no idea who owned it, who bought it, how much it fetched or anything. If they are happy with what they are holding, great.

Again, real simple, the photos DO NOT show a MS69 coin.

You may continue with your highly emotional and irrational invective, and about that, I care not either.

 

Well your eye missed the videos that are literally with the pictures you supposedly looked at so again I'll take PCGS's grade over your "absurdly AU" opinion

 

I heard that what they really isn't that good(erly).

Great spoiler and thank you for saving me the time wasting.

I really don't like you saying "you supposedly looked at again" with your back-biting and underhanded implication that I am somehow lying.

I don't like that at all and you can bet all the money in the world I will not go waste the bandwidth and data to go look at them again, or the B videos.

 

Because I don't think you looked at it. The videos are literally on the same page in the section you would have supposedly looked at to view the reverse or different pictures. Everyone who looked at the listing saw they had videos available but you somehow missed that. I suspect you are just blindly bashing the coin and TPG with very generic descriptions why since you didn't even know Heritage had the videos on the page.

 

You have much to learn about grading and coin images. There are classes that can help you.

 

Seriously, what you think about me, this subject and your suspicions are regarded with far less concern than used TP.

I haven't seen one soul chime in and state they see an MS69 Morgan shown in the pix. In fact, looking back through this thread, you haven't either. Yet others have indeed chimed in agreeing they don't see MS69.

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Coin in question below for anyone that doesn't want to click through. I also agree with @IBetASilverDollar that OP is using clash marks to mean contact marks or marks created when the coin clashed with another minted coin.

 

Tell me the images you see are of a MS69 coin. Nobody else has so for your judgment, see previous TP comment.

 

You can be as insulting as you wish but that's not going to help you with your grading or understanding coin images. It's clear that you are new at this.

 

It is clear that your eyes are detached from the reality presented by the pictures of the coin and your mind detached from the definitions of MS70, MS69 and MS68.

Here, I'll help you,

https://www.pcgs.com/Photograde/#/Morgan/Grades

go look at the photograded MS69 example as well as keep going lower until you find one resembling this one. I don't care how the marks got on it, or that it being a Morgan seems to change the grade scale. I don't care and not one bit.

 

What did I miss? You called the coin an AU.

 

I looked at a coin stated to be MS69 and was so shocked I could have easily retorted it was XF since what is still presented is miles and dollars away from MS69, period.

Now, I don't care if you don't get the absurdity of what is presented being graded MS69 and I still do not see you, OR ANYONE, stating it is while patronizing like I'm some barely home trained child.

What you are missing is, you, for all your implied expertise, explaining just exactly how and why this coin is MS69, when MS66's shown have fewer rub and contact marks.

Yeah, it's a nice coin, but, it will never be MS69 without intentionally and purposely changing the grading scale.

 

If I had to guess from the images shown, I would have said 67 or 68. I would not have guessed 69 from the images. I don't know if PCGS is right or wrong from images.

 

I haven't seen this coin in hand, but I can guess that this is how it happened. The graders stated that the coin was not technically a 69, but it was nicer than any of the 68s that they'd seen and they set the market for the coin. If someone is going big on the coin, they know what they're doing and generally agree with the given grade. The market would have agreed on a lower grade and it would have been lowered; it wouldn't be the first time that a grade has changed between auction appearances. My gut says that the grade is warranted.