Grade my Grade Please! 1893 IHC & 1909 VDB

Can you grade my grade, by grading these examples?

I do want to eventually submit these to either PCGS or NGC.

Thanks in advance!

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1909 VDB Wheat Cent

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MS-63 RB

I'm a little concerned about the few dark spots. Is that verdigris or PVC damage?

1893 Indian Head Cent

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MS-65 RD

I'm concerned about the scattered green bits. Is that verdigris or PVC damage? There's full cartwheel luster on both sides. It looks much, much better in-person, as my photography skills aren't up to par with capturing what coins really look like yet.

 

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This might be irrelevant to grading... but i want that VDB cent!

 

Although the first coin has MS details the color looks off and it would likely get bagged for environmental damage so AU details.

The second coin has been improperly cleaned and retoned AU details.

Neither coin is worth wasting grading fee's on.

 

The IHC has visible flow lines and cartwheel luster on both sides.

However, the whizzing seems obvious given the residue around the devices.

So, did the IHC get "only" a light whizzing?

In the meantime, I'm going to put both coins into a long acetone bath.

 

Also, what color does a re-toned red copper cent look like?

Here's a color chart I found on the 'net - is it more or less red than one of these?:

 

I'm in the consensus with both of these being details coins, unfortunately.

 

You took the words right off my finger tips!
If that ain't whizzed I ain't Irish!

 

I'm with the rest of everyone here. I would not even waste my money on shipping if they would slab these for free. The IHC will come back details and the Lincoln more than likely QC, if not QC then probably in MS-62RB or so. Lincoln has a pretty good scrape on his forehead and contact marks all over the place both obverse and reverse with a fairly banged up rim. Sorry.

 

1909 VDB - MS63 RB
Indian Cent - UNC details Smoothed.

 

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I think your grades are way high

 

My photographs tend to bring out every flaw, and make all of my coins look muted with almost no cartwheel luster. It's as if there's a "make the coin look worse" filter... Even when I take photos of GEM BU slabbed coins, they tend to come out far worse than they actually are. Here's another photo of the same coin:

 

Well, here's the seller's photo of the IHC's obverse below.

In the meantime, I put the coin in a Xylene bath, so maybe it'll look better after that and a second acetone bath / rinse.

 

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Heres what i think happened to the IHC

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A ground find, that was cleaned up, so 2 speak

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I think the Lincoln looks ok in your 2nd photo

 

My first impression of that IHC was, hinky. My thoughts have not changed after seeing the seller's photo. Hard to tell if it was polished or whizzed but the surfaces have definitely been altered.

 

In my opinion, the 1909 VDB is not worth grading/slabbing unless you have some sentimental reason for such. These are readily available nice (and are very affordable). Thus, if you want one slabbed I'd advise to purchase one already in that state.

As for the IHC, I'm with many others here in the opinion that the surfaces seem "odd" -- it looks cleaned to my eye, but it's possible it is just the images.

Best of luck.