1952 Lincoln cent lamination error?

Would this be considered a lamination error seen on the reverse and on Lincolns chin? Was pulled from an old tube roll from the 80s labeled "50s-P XF/BU". If it is a mint error and not PMD, does it add any additional value?

 

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Yes to Lamination Error. Nice find. Not a major Mint Error though.

 

I almost wonder if granpa collected varieties of nice coins and may not have gotten around to attributing them. I wonder if one day, boxes of my tubes that are marked E or V will end up in the hands of somebody that is uncertain.

The back of the C in cent almost looks like a PUP for a certain DDO which the shape of the obverse letters almost seem to match. Chin and neckline, ibid.

Never mind any of that, just sell me those rolls and I'll handle it.

 

He was a very serious collector through the mid 80s, until he got sick and passed away. Most of his collection was kept in a safe, these Lincoln cents were kept separate in a locked wall cabinet which my grandmother left. My grandmother doesn't know anything about them so I've been trying to learn and go through what he has and maybe help her get a little more than 3 cents each for bulk.

I know Lincoln cents aren't the most glamorous to collect, but after seeing his old auction sheets and his books, his collection was a lot bigger than I thought. The first page starts with his multiple sets of Morgan dollars, through 1c pieces including an 1856 Flying Eagle.. That kind of segways into why I'm going through the Lincoln cents.. My grandmothers mentioned that another family member who is a jeweler helped her sell the collection a couple years ago. After seeing "BU" "MS 67" etc. on some of his auction sheets, I've concluded he bought very high grade coins. He also had over 120 1 oz Engelhard bars as well which I know sometimes carry a premium. I also know the person she brought them to loves to act like he knows what he's talking about when he doesn't. She was told that he sold them all as a Lot to a place in "in the city" so unless he just said that to her and sold them individually on his own. Either way I get the feeling he took huge advantage of her and can't figure out if there is anything that can be done to make it right. It's the combination of it being a family member that bothers me, and the fact that it was handled so poorly. I also work with the family member from time to time so I don't know if I should confront him, or find out where he sold them.

I know it's a stretch but that's why I'm trying to learn as much as I can about these/numismatics in general.. (end rant)

 

ask why I made that comment

I'm in at 5 cents each

 

Why did you make that comment?

 

Rhetorical and since suggesting it out loud and my making an offer, it makes it yours to answer.

 

Ah I thought you were joking around, my bad. Still figuring out how the forums work. I appreciate your offer but I'm not really interested in selling the rolls themselves. I'm more looking for advice/reassurance/tips for them right now. My family and friends think I'm crazy for "looking at pennies all day" as they see it, so it'd be nice to show them there's some substance here.

I will say, I know I sound like the average "kid with coins, doesnt want to put in effort to learn about them, resorts to posting here instead", but I am actually trying to take this seriously. I've been reading forums, blogs, guides, websites trying to get a better understanding of all the different pieces that play a part in what actually separates the good from the average. I'll try to post some others that I've put aside later on today to see if I've actually learned anything or not lol

 

What did he leave you with to look at them all day?

Good call, btw, 5/ea is likely a chump offer.

 

Haha I couldn't think of a way to say that nicely as a new "uneducated" member without sounding rude.. Getting taken seriously has been one of the hardest parts so far. Between nobody I'm close with understanding, and dealers I've gone to trying to take advantage of me, I'm just trying to find some honestly/reassurance in what I suppose would still be considered a "hunch". I'll spend anywhere from 2-12 hours a day on the stuff so but In my mind I just have to find one gem that makes it worth it (I do also genuinly enjoy it but I have to justify spending hours alone looking at "pennies" to my family somehow haha).

If you're asking about loupes/magnification, my grandmother gave me my grandfathers "Swift Model 777 monocular with 25x close focusing lense stand" as well as a smaller Bausch & Lomb 7x loupe. Trying to work on getting better photos from my iPhone but I still need more practice...

 

It is clear from your pix that he didn't leave you chinese junk to inspect them.

I believe Zeiss make a very fine macro adapter lens for iphones. Pretty amazing and takes lots of work out of inspecting as well as photographing coins. You can also buy a wide variety of stands and staging type accessories specifically for your device.

I'm sure the iphone will wifi direct, cast or NFC the images captured by your phone to a useful PC display.

Consider snagging a pawn store 35mm dslr camera, wifi capable will prove very handy as well as it's coming with a good telephoto/macro lens also will.

Sell a coin or two that you are completely certain about if you have to in order to raise the funds. Spending a benji or two on a good stereozoom dissecting scope isn't a bad idea either.

Yeah, I completely comprehend the struggle.

 

I actually have a decent canon dslr camera I bought for photographing jewelry but couldn't justify shelling out the cash for an overhead fixture/macro lense. That and I didn't think it would work with the magnifier I had. I also picked an old Bausch and Lomb compound light microscope with a light table and video camera setup that my my high school was getting rid of but I haven't been able to find the proper attachments to turn it to a stereoscopic set up yet- that and again, haven't been able to justify spending the money on it.

Finding the right way to sell anything has been a challenge as well. Anywhere local has just tried to scam me and auction sites seem to be all over the place in terms of sale prices. Between eBay, private and say Heritage Auctions, I've seen similar graded coins go for a crazy range of prices so I'm having a hard time deciding what's realistic to ask/expect based on what I have.

I really appreciate your help by the way. You're the first person to give me real and helpful advice on any of this haha

 

If your cannon can be hardwire or wirelessly coupled to your PC real time, you're steps ahead.

I believe, a memory card can actually be purchase that has a wifi, or similar, card built in.............I haven't played with them so I'm not sure how limited they are as in, do you have to take the picture to cast it as it sounds unlikely that it can cast to your monitor, displaying in real time.

Big monitor, split the screen and authenticating for variety comparisons gets real easy.

I don't know what you mean about overhead fixture since a decent tripod works just fine.

What you are saying about converting some not-even-close-to-ideal compound to stereo is complete lunacy.

Just get stereozoom for dissecting and do yourself a favor and avoid new amscope and other low quality and great price offerings. You'll just use this for a different perspective and 3D view for tough coins once you have a good and fast digital setup.

A used B&L, Nikon, Olyumpus, Zeiss....... whatever stereo. 200 or less.

If you do usb microscope, I'd lean more towards some of the 14MP units that will accept quality glass over the cheaper ones having years ago obsolete optical cards.


The newest release smartphones, and some coming soon, have some very promising features and specs with respect to their cameras.

I know which one I am on the list for early release very soon unless they change the specs and I no longer am sold.

 

Nice lamination.

 

I did a poor job explaining the microscope setup. Its some kind of video camera on an arm, mounted to a light table that happens to have the hardware for this specific microscope- its been a while since I thought about it so I forgot. It works on a PC display or TV so I was looking for a Stereozoom since I assumed it would fit the pieces I already have. That or just a proper lens/magnifier for the camera it has. I was originally going to use it for jewelry work so it may only cast live images not stills so I'll have to check that.

Anyways you explained perfectly what I was attempting to say. Wanted to avoid buying some cheap poor quality setup, but it may be a little until I can upgrade...

Really appreciate the help

 

No problem, try this, tell me which compound scope you have and what video stuff you have for it. Most likely, if left behind and it's compound, it isn't ideal. It may actually be worth much more to somebody else than the cost of what would work better for you. It sounds like OLD high end stuff and you know for sure what that means about the video camera on it's own.

Heck, post a pix, sounds like a nifty boom stand and who knows what else.

Last B&L SZ4 I picked up for 100 shipped with a LED ring light. It's kinda a hobby and I've been known to give spiffed up units away in coin deals or trades.

Snagged a couple SZ7's, one with the co-planer illumination (which is nice) the other with the camera port, one needed the other's organs to be spiffy. In 2 bills and time. SZ7 means first priority for larger coins is a 0.3X barlow which will set you back twice with barlows for SZ4's will.


There are two main type mounts with stands etc, if you learn about that then perhaps all you might want to do is find a head unit ready to plug in what you already have.

 

Sounds pretty neat, I'll be honest I don't know too too much about cameras/microscopes, but I've been trying to learn more about them for cases just like this. I love old precision tools and things of that sort, so I guess they -in a way- fit into that niche.

It's funny, I found the set up a year or two ago at our dumps "swap shop" where people basically drop off their old crap. Our high school is/was being renovated and I guess they were throwing out some old equipment so I figured it was too cool to walk by. Especially being B&L. I've looked into it here and there but my family just moved so I haven't done anything with it really.

I was able to find the microscope with part of the cameras hardware on it, but the light table/arm and actual camera are in our storage unit because I didn't have space for it yet. Might be able to get it within the next week or two though- just finished building/setting up a workshop in our basement so still trying to get organized... it never ends

 

Good call rescuing it! It absolutely isn't what you need and IT IS worth enough to somebody else to get what you need, maybe even with change left over or without having to carefully/patiently wait for a deal. Still like to see the camera gear although I have a pretty good idea it need$ to go with the unit when you off it. The table setup? I'd like to see it and I'm sure it is equally cool and good quality like this scope is.

 

Yeah the camera gear it came with is mounted to the table etc. I'll try to get it from our storage unit within a week or two- getting over there always turns into an ordeal so just not exactly sure when it'll be yet. It's some kind of old video camera but I can't find any similar pictures online anywhere. I'll definitely post pictures when I get over there.

As of right now, this is what I've been using. The Swift monocular with closeup 25x attachment, B&L small 7x loupe, and a cheap 5x loupe. I just hold the phone up to the lense and adjust my desk lamp accordingly. The bigger camera is a Canon EOS Rebel T5 with the lense it came with, which I know very little about either.

Not really sure if that was part of what you were asking about or not, but figured it would give a better idea what I'm working with. I was thinking about getting a drafting table light that I could clip onto my desk because it they aren't too expensive and lighting has been the biggest issue from what I can tell so far
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01EWKXHZS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_EOVuzbTD9YDXQ

 

He left you very nice stuff that puts you several steps ahead of those using the cheap asian toys for inspection. The canon will take a single overall coin photograph more than sufficient to attribute varieties and even serious study die markers and patterns. At least learn about its macro capabilities and all that will be left is playing with lighting. That isn't as critical with digital photography as it is with film.

A tripod should have you golden and I recommend maybe taking a coin break and going on an immersive T5 Rebel experience, use coins or whatever. Keep in mind, macro requires rock steady just like high magnification telephoto, so figure out the timer or other touch-less shutter tricks it will do.

I can't speak to the LED light since I haven't toyed with one like it. I have various and many lights.

Round up the rest of the B&L outfit and off it on ebay. It most likely will bring enough, if not more, to get you a proper zoom stereo unit in the proper range you'll immensely enjoy for coins.

I was asking about the table you said was buried and curious about the camera mounting just to see what it is. I can promise you if the camera is not PC plug and play, it's obsolete and even more so if it has it's own tiny CRT display.

But still, the scope is timeless and I believe is built so as to be up-gradable. Regardless if it were, it still wouldn't be what you need.