Ireland 1942 chicken 1d coin

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  1. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    This coin has become into my possession recently but I don't know much about it except that it is Irish. What I like is the theme specially the chicken =^-^= any Irish folk in the forum knowing about this coin please supply with native information))
    And what are the letters written below the chicken?
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan 48-year collector Moderator

    The lettering below the hen and chicks says pingin, which is Gaelic for "penny".

    I would grade your coin a Choice XF, personally, which per the Krause catalog pricing makes it about a $1.50-2.00-ish piece. It's a common date.

    These Irish predecimal coins are lots of fun. :)

    Once upon a time I had them all, with the exception of the super-rare 1943 florin.
     
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  4. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    Beautifully made and beautifully shaped coin. Man, If I were you I would have kept all such coins)). no regret though)) don't worry :)
    The gaelic letters are english or else?
    Thanks for the grading XF)) i am honoured))
    I want more and more of irish coins))) cool hens ^^
     
  5. paddyman98

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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    The hen has little chicks behind her :chicken::chicken::chicken:
     
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  7. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    Where is their dad though? Boozing may be? :D
     
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  8. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yes, Gaelic - or more specifically Irish - basically uses the Latin alphabet that English uses too. So as lordmarcovan mentioned, the word is "pingin", and for the "gi" combo a ligature was used. (Similar to what you sometimes see in typography, e.g. fi or fl ...)

    The little "d" (an abbreviation of denarius) also means penny. That D was used on pre-decimal British coins too.

    Christian
     
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  9. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    I just looked into the word pingin pronunciation, seems the g is very light (almost silent) when the lateral sides of the dorsum of the concave tongue gently touches the palate! there one can make a silent g lol
    denarius sounds like dinar.
     
  10. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    Yep, the abbreviations of the pre-decimal units are all in Latin: £ (pound) for libra, s (shilling) for solidus, and d (penny) for denarius. And that denarius "survived" in several modern currency names.

    Your pronunciation tips sound somewhat complicated. ;) Try this instead -
    https://forvo.com/word/ga/pingin/#ga
    - and then click on any of the blue triangles. Two speakers, and two ways of pronouncing the word, hehe.

    "PS": Most the Irish pre-euro circulation coins have animals. Makes an interesting collection ...

    Christian
     
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  11. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Thanks for the information, Christian. I always knew the "d" indicated penny, but wasn't aware of its origin. The use of the ligature is also interesting.

    I always thought Gaelic and Irish were completely different languages, or are they just variations of each other?

    Bruce
     
  12. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    the first pronunciation is exactly as I figured it out :D
    100% agree, that makes the Irish coins a great collection, collecting coins, collecting animals :chicken::clown::cow::beaver::D
     
  13. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    @BRandM - Not that I am an expert but Gaelic is spoken, at least to some extent, outside of Ireland too, in Scotland for example. When the language used on that coin became an official European Union language, it was "Irish", probably to differentiate it from Scottish Gaelic and others. In Irish, however, Irish is called Gaeilge. :)

    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/administration_en#languages
    (English)
    https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/administration_ga#teangacha
    (Irish)

    Christian
     
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  14. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    I don't know much if any Irish Gaelic, but a wee bit o' Scots Gaelic - and it is pronounced like "gallic".

    Here is a Scots Gaelic song:



    Really a lovely language or at least Julie makes it so.
     
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  15. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    Hail hail the celts are here!!
     
  16. Collect89

    Collect89 Coin Collector

    Your coin is cool. Send me a PM with your mailing address if you would like some other XF examples. I married a girl from Ireland and all her relatives have given me all their pre-decimal coinage. Here are some (pretty) high grade barnyard coins from Ireland.

    2 shillings & 6 pence = 1/2 crown:
    Ireland 2 Shillings.jpg
    Ireland 2 Shillings 6 P 1942.jpg

    Shilling:
    Ireland 1942 Shilling Obv.jpg
    Ireland 1942 Shilling Rev.jpg

    6 pence:
    Ireland 1949 six pence Obv.jpg
     
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  17. chrisild

    chrisild Coin Collector

    It sure is. Not that I could speak or understand it, but the sound is attractive. Now most people in "Gaelic language countries" speak English (which is also why English will continue to be an official EU language once the UK gets out) but I am happy to see Irish and its "sisters" being actively used. For example, I have been to Anúna (from IE) concerts twice so far, one time in NL, once in DE, and loved them. I may have posted this before ...



    Sorry, @pragmatic , for the digression. ;) Then again, Collect89 just posted several of those "animal" coins that I mentioned before. Very nice series!

    Christian
     
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  18. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    @Collect89 topnotch!! lucky you :-O
    I was married to a Scottish and all I could have so far are few accidentally discovered items among regular pences :muted: and 3 promisory notes :depressed:
    please share your Irish collections. I enjoy watching them, man
     
  19. pragmatic

    pragmatic Well-Known Member

    @chrisild digression is the candy of any discussion :D
     
  20. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Thanks, Christian.

    Bruce
     
  21. scottishmoney

    scottishmoney Buh bye

    Mostly Northern Irish an' Scots here wedded to a Scots lass for now 21 years! I do collect Irish, Northern Irish, and Scots of course hence the handle!

    Back on topic, Limerick Ha'penny here:

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