This coin has become into my possession recently but I don't know much about it except that it is Irish. What I like is the theme specially the chicken =^-^= any Irish folk in the forum knowing about this coin please supply with native information)) And what are the letters written below the chicken?
The lettering below the hen and chicks says pingin, which is Gaelic for "penny". I would grade your coin a Choice XF, personally, which per the Krause catalog pricing makes it about a $1.50-2.00-ish piece. It's a common date. These Irish predecimal coins are lots of fun. Once upon a time I had them all, with the exception of the super-rare 1943 florin.
Beautifully made and beautifully shaped coin. Man, If I were you I would have kept all such coins)). no regret though)) don't worry The gaelic letters are english or else? Thanks for the grading XF)) i am honoured)) I want more and more of irish coins))) cool hens ^^
@pragmatic Here is a very helpful website that can help you with identification of most coins I want to share this Numista webpage with you - https://en.numista.com/catalogue/index.php?r=&p=1&x=12&y=12 I want to share this Numista webpage example with you
Yes, Gaelic - or more specifically Irish - basically uses the Latin alphabet that English uses too. So as lordmarcovan mentioned, the word is "pingin", and for the "gi" combo a ligature was used. (Similar to what you sometimes see in typography, e.g. fi or fl ...) The little "d" (an abbreviation of denarius) also means penny. That D was used on pre-decimal British coins too. Christian
I just looked into the word pingin pronunciation, seems the g is very light (almost silent) when the lateral sides of the dorsum of the concave tongue gently touches the palate! there one can make a silent g lol denarius sounds like dinar.
Yep, the abbreviations of the pre-decimal units are all in Latin: £ (pound) for libra, s (shilling) for solidus, and d (penny) for denarius. And that denarius "survived" in several modern currency names. Your pronunciation tips sound somewhat complicated. Try this instead - https://forvo.com/word/ga/pingin/#ga - and then click on any of the blue triangles. Two speakers, and two ways of pronouncing the word, hehe. "PS": Most the Irish pre-euro circulation coins have animals. Makes an interesting collection ... Christian
Thanks for the information, Christian. I always knew the "d" indicated penny, but wasn't aware of its origin. The use of the ligature is also interesting. I always thought Gaelic and Irish were completely different languages, or are they just variations of each other? Bruce
the first pronunciation is exactly as I figured it out 100% agree, that makes the Irish coins a great collection, collecting coins, collecting animals
@BRandM - Not that I am an expert but Gaelic is spoken, at least to some extent, outside of Ireland too, in Scotland for example. When the language used on that coin became an official European Union language, it was "Irish", probably to differentiate it from Scottish Gaelic and others. In Irish, however, Irish is called Gaeilge. https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/administration_en#languages (English) https://europa.eu/european-union/about-eu/figures/administration_ga#teangacha (Irish) Christian
I don't know much if any Irish Gaelic, but a wee bit o' Scots Gaelic - and it is pronounced like "gallic". Here is a Scots Gaelic song: Really a lovely language or at least Julie makes it so.
Your coin is cool. Send me a PM with your mailing address if you would like some other XF examples. I married a girl from Ireland and all her relatives have given me all their pre-decimal coinage. Here are some (pretty) high grade barnyard coins from Ireland. 2 shillings & 6 pence = 1/2 crown: Shilling: 6 pence:
It sure is. Not that I could speak or understand it, but the sound is attractive. Now most people in "Gaelic language countries" speak English (which is also why English will continue to be an official EU language once the UK gets out) but I am happy to see Irish and its "sisters" being actively used. For example, I have been to Anúna (from IE) concerts twice so far, one time in NL, once in DE, and loved them. I may have posted this before ... Sorry, @pragmatic , for the digression. Then again, Collect89 just posted several of those "animal" coins that I mentioned before. Very nice series! Christian
@Collect89 topnotch!! lucky you :-O I was married to a Scottish and all I could have so far are few accidentally discovered items among regular pences and 3 promisory notes please share your Irish collections. I enjoy watching them, man
Mostly Northern Irish an' Scots here wedded to a Scots lass for now 21 years! I do collect Irish, Northern Irish, and Scots of course hence the handle! Back on topic, Limerick Ha'penny here: