Thoughts on NGC/NCS Conservation?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by LM3012, Feb 28, 2017.

  1. Jaelus

    Jaelus The Hungarian Antiquarian Supporter

    On several of my NGC submissions over the years, they have contacted me about having NCS conserve a particular coin on the submission. I've always opted for them to do it in that case, and while the coins always graded nicely afterward and were improved from a technical perspective, I haven't always thought the eye appeal was improved by the conservation.
     
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  3. LM3012

    LM3012 Active Member

    NCS's Pricing tiers state "all coins," so maybe? I'm sure a quick email to their customer service would answer the first part of your question at least
     
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  4. LM3012

    LM3012 Active Member

    So I've elected to let them do conservation on the lower-graded coins they suggested, a few of the MS66 ones, but not every coin. Would like to see how it pans out for my own experience and curiosity. Will post my results when they are returned!
     
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  5. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Ehhh - not as much as you might think. For one thing negative reports are plentiful, but they tend to "leave the radar screen" after about 2 days because posts on forums move down the list as new posts are made, and not everybody reads them. And most of the time, few ever see them again.

    For another thing, most of the coins that NCS are conserving are raw, so there is no lower grade factor. And when there is a no grade factor with a raw coin, which is more often than one might think, the negativity of that has nothing to do with NCS, meaning it's no fault of theirs - it's just a fact of life.

    But I certainly do agree with you about the power of word of mouth - to a point. A good example I can give you is that I have posting on coin forums about TPGs over-grading for almost 13 years now. And I pretty much post about every single day.

    And yet it has only been in the last year or so that people, widespread, have finally begun to believe it. For the first 10 years of that just about all anybody ever did was argue with me about it !

    Ya see, people will only believe what they want to believe, regardless of how true something is.
     
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  6. calcol

    calcol Supporter! Supporter

    A raw coin could get a lower-than-expected or no grade even without conservation. I haven't tried the conservation services myself. But I would be more disappointed with an already slabbed coin going down in grade or reverting to no grade than I would with a poor outcome for a raw coin. It's sort of like losing the bird in the hand versus not catching the one in the bush.

    Cal
     
  7. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I don't disagree with that Cal. But it doesn't invalidate the points I made.
     
  8. Dennis Misiak

    Dennis Misiak Member

    I have used NCS a few times and have been very pleased with the outcome. I have a coulee of coins that I am going to submit to PCGS at the ANA show next week, so I'll have a comparison for reference.
     
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  9. Dennis Misiak

    Dennis Misiak Member

    that was couple, not couple.....darn spell check!!
     
  10. Dennis Misiak

    Dennis Misiak Member

    not coolie..:banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
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  11. LM3012

    LM3012 Active Member

    So I just got the results of the coins which were serviced by NCS and I have to say I am very pleased with the results. About 70% increased in grade by up to two points and they do look noticeably better across the board after conservation, in my opinion anyway. I should receive them back in a couple of days and will try and post some before and after pics. Thanks again everyone for all your input!
     
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  12. LM3012

    LM3012 Active Member

    Little before and after conservation from NCS on my 1914CNB 20K Russian coin. Night and Day there!
     

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  13. MrDSmith

    MrDSmith Senior Member

    I sent in some rare proofs to NCS on the 5th. We'll see how they come out. Unfortunately, I don't have any before photos.
     
  14. Tater

    Tater Coin Collector

    Let us know how they do.
     
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  15. PipersSpring

    PipersSpring Celeste Jones Mining

    Yes, they do perform conservation on ancients. I often check "conservation" on the submission form. They will decline to perform conservation on about 75% of the coins I submit. Probably for some of the reasons noted above. Some of the coins I submit are pretty fragile, and NGC won't even slab them. However, when they receive a coin that they feel is a good candidate, the result has always been excellent. The conservation usually bumps the coin up from an XF to AU, etc. They have not charged me much for conserving the coins that they have done and the added value of a better grade more than compensates for the price. As far as negative experiences go, I haven't had any coins go south after they worked on them, and they have performed all of the conservation while they have the coin, not after I get it back. Sometimes they even call and ask permission, but, as I said, I check the conservation box for coins I think could use it, at the time of my submission.
     
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  16. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    I would like to believe that :)
     
  17. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Wow, wonder what they used?
     
  18. Kentucky

    Kentucky Supporter! Supporter

    Conservation on ancients is very different from conservation on modern coins. I wonder how they do it.
     
  19. PipersSpring

    PipersSpring Celeste Jones Mining

    I wonder too. Tricky, tricky....
     
  20. MrDSmith

    MrDSmith Senior Member

    Following up, the coins came back in incredible condition and all made top-pop. Well worth it.

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  21. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    This. If they were mine, I'd happily "settle" for MS-66/MS-67.
     
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