225th anniversary American Liberty 1oz. silver medal

Collectors too. I like moderns more than a lot of collectors, but it gets old when 99 percent of US mint products lose value and some lose a large percentage of it rather quickly. You either have to wait or know that its going way down.

I fully get the mint is there to make money for themselves and as much as possible, that said if they are going to charge such stiff premiums it would be nice if they did products in a way that at least gave them a chance to hold their value.

To me that is just their honest opinion, some people do find it ugly and really it's a subjective assessment. There's plenty of coins I find ugly that others love and vice versa

 

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I hope I'm not going to be the only one who calls this out. Not "reports", but calls attention to exactly what you're saying.

Or perhaps you'd care to clarify what a headband of giant stars has to do with syrup bottles, since you couldn't possibly be referring to an ethnic group and where its members do or don't "belong"...

 

Their logic is "WOW these things sold out instantly last year, collectors must love our medals. Lets boost the price and get rid of the limits and make gobs of money this time!" They don't consider the fact that it was the minuscule mintage that cause the instant sell out. And they definitely don't consider the design which is what has caused the horrible sales for the gold this time as compared to the last one.

 

I felt the same way Jeff, but I also feel strongly about the adage: It is better to remain silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.

The comments (and not just the one quoted) are not even thinly veiled racism, but I'm not surprised at that any more.

 

Does this work the other way too? Can I be bothered that you used strong words such as "fabulous" and "lovely?" "I like the design very much" would have been enough.

Strong words get our point across much better. You're gushing over the design, so of course you're going to use affectionate words. I'm lamenting over the fact that Latrell Sprewell is on a US Mint product depicting Lady Liberty, so of course I'm going to use words that exhibit my disgust.

 

Travis, it bothers me that you seem to be more bothered by Liberty's ethnicity than anything else. She does not look like a defensive back, nor like Latrell Sprewell, she does look black, however, and that was a conscious choice of the designer. Is that what bothers you?

 

It's not ethnicity, it's the fact that she looks masculine that bothers me more than anything else. If Lady Liberty was depicted as another ethnicity, I would've used a different comparison. When I see that design, I see Latrell Sprewell.

Couldn't care less if Lady Liberty was depicted as a black woman. You've seen me on these board since 2009 and we've always had a nice relationship; if I had a problem with races/ethnicities/cultures, you'd know it by now.

 

Honestly, Travis, the only reason I asked was because of our good past relationship, otherwise I would have just muttered to myself and not said anything. I asked out of respect as a friend to help clarify what I thought could be misunderstood comments.

The words you used are insensitive, if not inflammatory in nature. And before anyone starts with the whole political correctness thing, one thing that I want people to understand is this:

Racial tension in this country is high. If we ever want to move forward, we need to just be cognizant of the words we use as we communicate because if we never get past the emotions triggered by so many words, we will never have an honest understanding conversation, and we are doomed to remain apart.

I am hopeful that sometime in my lifetime the enormous racial divide in our country will be bridged and we will begin to become one people, referring to ourselves simply as Americans.

 

I appreciate your good will towards me; I've always respected you.

I do have one question for you: if Lady Liberty was depicted as a masculine white woman and I referred to her as Clay Matthews, would you still find my language to be inflammatory?

 

I would find it to be demeaning to women in general, yes.

And back at you, Travis. I have a great fondness and respect for you as well.

 

. There is nothing wrong with what I said. You choose to interpret it any way you wish. The coin design is ugly and I am not the only one who has said this.

 

Again, feel free to explain what "a syrup bottle" has to do with this, if it's not to equate the design with Aunt Jemima (because, you know, it's that type of female personification).

If that's not what you meant, than I'm doing you a favor by pointing out what you're unintentionally stepping in. Here's your chance to wipe your feet, or keep stomping. Your choice.

 

It must be something along those lines, either that or they know sales will be awful so are just trying to get as much as they can for the ones that sell.

 

It's a - fact - now that a male basketball player is depicting Lady Liberty? You know what, when I first saw the design, Lady Liberty reminded me of my wife.

Disgust? Did you just say that? Boy, I really don't know what to say anymore.

 

Thank you. I thought it's just me who read racist comments in between the lines...

 

I completely agree. Unfortunately, most times I remember this just after saying something I wished I didn't.

 

Getcha popcorn ready.

 

I don't care for the coin, but I really could care even less for some of the above commentaries.

 

I have said this before. I'll say it again. Liberty is not and has never been a person. She is an ideal of what the US stands for. If anyone prior to this year saw skin color, they were missing the point entirely. On a gold coin, she's gold. On a silver coin, she's silver. Like I say, a symbol of a fabulous ideal.

It's a pity that the Mint committee also missed the boat and turned Liberty into a racial issue -- either by design or by stupidity.

 

If you want to stay on the forum, READ the Rules! If you don't like the mint product, don't purchase it! Politics, Religion, World Events will get you banned! Jim