Nice coin of Julian

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  1. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    This is a coin I won in @John Anthony's recent auction. It comes from the Doug Smith collection and is now in my possession. It fills a hole in my collection - I didn't have a Julian and shows a nice, shiny green patina.

    Julian AE20, Sirmium mint.
    Obverse: DN FL CL IVLI-ANVS P F AVG
    Reverse: VOTX MVLTXX in Wreath
    RIC VIII 108 p. 393

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  3. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Also, let's see your Julians!
     
  4. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    I particularly liked the style on the bust of that coin.
     
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  5. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    For LRBs, I like Julian coinage
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  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Nice ones @Bing! Now I've got to get a large bronze with the Apis bull on the reverse, I love those!
     
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  7. Pishpash

    Pishpash Well-Known Member

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    Julian II
    Coin: Bronze AE3
    D N FL CL IVLI_ANVS P F AVG - Pearl-diademed, helmeted, cuirassed bust left, shield forward in left hand, spear forward in right
    VOT / X / MVLT / XX - Legend in four lines surrounded by wreath terminating in large jewel Palm SIS palm in exergue
    Mint: Siscia (361-362 AD)
    Wt./Size/Axis: 2.64g / 21mm / -
    References:
    • RIC VIII, 415
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    I had one very similar but I can't seem to find it today. :playful: I always wondered why Julian used the great busts on the boring reverses and the ordinary ones on his bull coins.
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    A Julian siliqua would have been better with that bust, too.
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  9. gogili1977

    gogili1977 Well-Known Member

    Beautiful coins everybody. Also, I like Julian II coins, particulary AE1. I have these in collection:
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  10. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Here's some history from Ammianus, Liber XXV:

    Julianus, careless of his own safety, shouting and raising his hands tried to make it clear to his men that the enemy had fled in disorder, and, to rouse them to a still more furious pursuit, rushed boldly into the fight. His guards,15 who had scattered in their alarm, were crying to him from all sides to get clear of the mass of fugitives, as dangerous as the fall of a badly built roof, when suddenly — no one knows whence16— a cavalryman's spear grazed the skin of his arm, pierced his ribs, and lodged in the lower lobe of his liver. 7 While he was trying to pluck this out with his right hand, he felt that the sinews of his fingers were cut through on both sides by the sharp steel. Then he fell from his horse, all present hastened to the spot, he was taken to camp and given medical treatment.
     
  11. John Anthony

    John Anthony Ultracrepidarian

    It's a shame Julian died so early into his reign. I think he would have been a very fine ruler. He was also quite the wit. Read the Mispogon. Of all Roman emperors, he's one of the few that I'd like to sit down and chat with.
     
  12. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    Julian has been said to the the best 'Christian' of the Constantinian Dynasty even though he was the one who did what he could to erase Christianity. He was raised in a Christian family whose religious views involved killing off as many relatives as you could find. Julian only lived because of his young age when the three brothers were busy killing each other and the other cousins. There are many books with various takes on Julian and his place in history. I have not read enough of them to suggest one over another but a visit to the local library might prove interesting.
     
  13. Severus Alexander

    Severus Alexander find me at NumisForums

    I always love an excuse to post this, one of my favourite coins:

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    My notes on the bull:
    Research indicates the common belief which identifies the bull with the Apis bull is probably wrong. An interesting passage from Dio Chrysostom compares a good ruler to a bull. Also, Julian was most likely born in May, in the sign of Taurus. The stars are probably the two important star clusters in Taurus, Pleiades and Hyades. Whether Taurus or Apis, this bull is pagan and this coin was the last pagan coin type issued by the Empire.
     
  14. randygeki

    randygeki Coin Collector

    Cool addition!

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  15. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Supposedly his last words were "Thou hast conquered, Galilean." I find this suspect though.
     
  16. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I like this one for the portrait style:

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    Julian II, 361-363
    Roman Silvered AE 3 Centenionalis; 3.16 g. 18.3 mm
    Antioch mint, AD 362-363
    Obv: D N FL CL IVLIANVS P F, helmeted and cuirassed bust, left, holding spear and shield.
    Rev: VOT X MVLT XX, legend within wreath; in exergue: ANTA between two palm fronds.
    Refs: RIC 220; Cohen 151; RCV 19181; LRBC 2642
     
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  17. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    i read somewhere along the way that the bull had something to do with all the sacrifices he made to the pagan gods as he traveled about?

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  18. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana

    Beardless as caesar
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    Bearded as augustus
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  19. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

  20. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    The bull coinage apparently upset some of his Christian subjects. The people of Antioch even demonstrated against him “shouting…that his coinage had a bull and that the world was overturned.” (Socrates, Hist. Eccl. 3.17)
     
  21. Mikey Zee

    Mikey Zee Delenda Est Carthago

    Cool coins.... and very interesting posts!

    I'll add my 'skinny bull' variety---Cyzicus mint:

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