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  1. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

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  3. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

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  4. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    As some of you know, I have a great interest in collecting and researching counterstamped and graffiti coins relating to the Irish Troubles. Although the religious and territorial conflict has been going on for nearly 800 years, the last three decades of the 20th century is the period that most people are aware of. Most political expressions stamped or cut onto coins or tokens were issued in the 1960s / 1980s, but some date back much earlier. This coin is one of the rare examples, and the oldest by far that I've ever seen.

    I always thought of 1688 as the beginning of the "modern" era in this conflict...as odd as that sounds. In that year, William of Orange, deposed the Catholic King of England, James II. William was James' son-in-law, but a Protestant, though both were from the royal House of Stuart. James had converted to Catholicism some years earlier. In 1690 when James landed an army in Ireland in an attempt to regain the throne, he was defeated by William at the battle of the Boyne near Drogheda, Meath. This set the stage for the ascendancy of Protestantism to the English throne. There would never be another Catholic King after James. This event really triggered the so-called modern era.

    The coin is a Half Penny of William III. The date is unreadable, but would have had to been struck sometime between 1695 and 1701...the only years these coins were issued. Initially, I passed over the coin several times on an auction site. I didn't realize it'd importance until I finally connected the dots. After taking a closer look I realized that the counterstamps were a rendition of the so-named Tudor Rose. the heraldic badge of the House of Stuart. This then would be a "celebration" of sorts of William's victory. It could be argued, I suppose, that it was a statement in support of James, as both were of the House of Stuart. The stamp over William's portrait might be considered a defacement, but I believe the stamps show support for William. In any case, it's related to the English / Irish conflict, and a very early and important piece.

    The coin was dug by an English metal-detectorist earlier this year at a site just east of Lovedon Lane in the village of Kings Worthy, Hampshire. Knowing the details of the find adds a lot of interest to me. There were two other Half Pennies found at the dig, but not counterstamped. I've included an image of a Tudor Rose along with the pictures of the coin. Thanks for looking.

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  5. Wehwalt

    Wehwalt Well-Known Member

    I'm still in Europe and today I happened to be in London when the thrice-annual London Coin Show was going on. There were a number of medal dealers. I would have liked to have bought more than I did!
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    This is a medal by Daniel Dupuis, 50mm. It is identified by the dealer's flip as for the 1900 Exposition Universalle but I wonder if that's a misidentification as it seems more focused on the year 1900. The flip contains a note that this is from the Cokayne collection, and combining what the dealer said with what I researched back at the hotel is that Francis Cokayne was a major tokens collector of the first half of the 20th century. "it was a standing rule at Baldwin’s that staff could not leave on Friday until a new parcel of tokens was posted to Mr Cokayne’s offices on Montagu Square". The collection was bought by Baldwin's just after WWII, but this was part of what was sold by the family later, according to the dealer.
     

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  6. Nathan401

    Nathan401 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    Brown & Sharp Tools Token for Rhode Island's Tercentary, 1936
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  7. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  8. H8_modern

    H8_modern Attracted to small round-ish art

    I couldn't resist that this piece advertised "fancy goods"

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  9. Wehwalt

    Wehwalt Well-Known Member

    More of my purchases yesterday (I should add I was nowhere near the terrorist incident). This dealer had some quite pricey tokens but I bought these from his five-pound box. The bronze ones are farthing-size and the brass one a little bigger. fullsizeoutput_cd5.jpeg fullsizeoutput_cd7.jpeg
     
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  10. Jwt708

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    Sorry I don't know anything else except they've come up a few times in this thread.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    This is something I have found, but it doesn't speak about this issue much.
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  12. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    When he gave me the price I said can I pick two? IMG_3509.JPG IMG_3508.JPG
     
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  13. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    These dollar-sized aluminum tokens were given to customers at a Denver bank back in the day:

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  14. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

  15. Jwt708

    Jwt708 Well-Known Member

    I almost bought one of those once because my wife is a huge Broncos fan.
     
  16. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

  17. dwhiz

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  18. jester3681

    jester3681 Exonumia Enthusiast

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    Every once in a while, the Heritage Weekly Auctions have some good stuff. I snagged this little guy last night. F-198/360e, Rarity 9 (2-4 extant). Nice mint state example of this not-meant-for-circulation strike.
     
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  19. BRandM

    BRandM Counterstamp Collector

    Beautiful token, jester. I always liked the off-metal pieces, especially in white metal.

    Bruce
     
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  20. Wehwalt

    Wehwalt Well-Known Member

    I have a 1973 one for the Jets but sponsored by Johnnie Walker

    I bought this today at the weekly Covent Garden Jubilee Market. It's about 38mm. It was two pounds:
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    Nevil Shute is one of my favorite authors, probably best known for "A Town Like Alice" and "On the Beach". Exactly why they would have a medal struck for him is something of a mystery to me. Glad to have it.
     
  21. Circus

    Circus Tokens Only !! TEC#4981

    Could be from the village of his birth, where he lived or died? The English small villages seem to have a fete for anything under the sun at the drop of a bowler! Or at least to according to all the BBC programs on netflixs and PBS.
     
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