"Collectors Price guide"

Who's hiding from whom, moron? That's my real picture and my real name, not some Internet "handle" I made up from whole cloth like you, Mr. _modern, or may I call you H8? I don't feel so comfortable with such a level of familiarity, but it's your call. Same goes for the infamous @wxcoin and @baseball21. Listen, sir, I have lived the entirety of the life of the World Wide Web era in the area of life that MAKES news, not the part that consumes it. I know what the gap is between the crap that makes it onto the web and the real truth and facts. But you three can just go on deluding yourselves. By the way, the quality of what is making it onto the web is presently DECLINING, not increasing, or don't you read much?

By the way, I assume you're aware that the Mint's numismatic "conference" last October was covered by an agreement from the numismatic press that no stories were available with attribution, and MUCH of the news from that meeting in Philly has never made it out of that room ... yet. You had to have your analog "meatspace" body there in person, you had to apply, and you had to be selected. Then you had to (wait for it...) pay your own way (shocking!) to be there.

In case paying for something is unfamiliar to you, ask your mommy. She's probably just up the basement stairs from your room, up in the kitchen.

 

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This is the single most moronic thing I've yet read on CoinTalk, and that's a rich supply from which to select.

 

For someone who seems to be a self proclaimed expert on everything you seem to relish attacking other people and their opinions like the mad tweeter in our nations capital. I'm probably the same age as you and do agree that the internet is full of false information. But it's also a good source of useful information if one's diligent enough to weed out the good from the bad. I'm no coin expert and that's why I like to read some of the threads on this forum to read the opinions of others. I will never look down on anyones comments like you have done on numerous occasions; that's just plain rude. I'm sure you are much more knowledgeable about numismatics than I am but that's no excuse.

 

Regardless of your political opinion, I, and assumed many others, appreciate your response without subjective direct personal insults. I believe, an indicator of maturity.

JMHO

 

Unfortunately, a dying art. To be precise, probably "stillborn".

 

I have neither the time nor the inclination to engage in making "nice nice" for its own sake. Life's a contact sport. Suit up.

 

Just maybe, since all pricing sources are consumed with competing with each other to the exclusion of all others (mine are good, the other guy's are crap), maybe we should name them ALL the "brown shirt sheet", huh?

 

Anyway...did any of you hear about the new service from the ANA?...it's a "guide".

 

Reads like an insert into The Numismatist, highly analogous to the monthly ones in NN or CW. The key difference here is this one is being done with major input from the current publishers of the [insert color here] sheet. As ALWAYS, any pricing guide's prices must be adjusted for locale/venue/circumstances. That is the part where the "art" is found.

 

Sorry Kurt it is time for the internet to stop making you so angry all the time. It is the present and the future and will continue to leave people and organizations in the dust that cannot figure out how to use it to their advantage. You should probably just stay off it if every time it's actual impact has been brought up you are going to go on these long winded rage rants all the time.

Who cares? No one missed anything by not being there. They only do like 1-2 things a year that get people excited anyway then the rest are a big snooze fest

 

Spoken with all the knowledge of someone who was not there. Typical. By the way, the Internet HAD (past tense intentional) the potential to be something special. It devolved into "democratized ignorance" BEFORE IT EVER GOT GOING WELL.

Even a gentleman who makes his entire living from a huge Internet broadcasting network, Leo Laporte of the TWiT (This Week in Tech) Network, has sadly recognized this heretofore only NEAR-fatal flaw in it. It turns out Andrew Keen was an Internet optimist.

 

Haha, this thread has become quite entertaining!

 

Kurt, we get the message that you're unhappy with something or someone, but will you please try to direct your communications about your understandings of the thread "subject". We may then learn something germane.

JMHO

 

What do we need a "new "retail pricing sheet for?

We already have the Gray Sheet.

 

Now wait just a minute! Who is "we"? Yes, dealers have the grey sheet, as do collectors who want to pay out the nose for something in a font so small it approaches unreadability. Now the rank and file ANA member will have a similar source. We'll see what the formatting looks like.

 

They already have that for free. Anything that will be in cheat sheet style guide will have readily available prices in multiple sources online from real sales

 

Example?

 

https://www.pcgs.com/auctionprices/

Real world sales that goes over a decade from basically every major source.

If people just want a price guide and not sales Numismedia is free

 

Okay, but that's just PCGS slabbed coins, right? What do I do with that when I live and mostly trade in a "raw only" environment? Am I not due something for the "risk" I regularly assume? Serious question, not rhetorical.

I already have and use Numismedia FMV's. I like to have multiple sources, to avoid relying on an "outlier". As an example, in two weeks, I'll be attending an auction where there are now 7 coins I've identified as possible targets in the $200-$500 range, all of them raw. My budget likely will force me to stop after two successes at that sale in that range. I will have ZERO Internet availability between the time I first see the coin and when I need to bid. How does the PCGS source help me?

By the way, in the next 14 days, several coins may be added or subtracted from my "hit list" for that sale.

 

You have a good point in this case. It's easy to look at online auction prices for slabbed coins but not so much for raw. With slabbed coins one has better confidence about grade and details. With raw coins it's a crap shoot; especially when buying ones not in hand (going with pictures that vary significantly by quality). That supports some of your earlier arguments about going to coin shows and being educated about grading, etc. In my situation, which probably mirrors others commenting in this forum, I have a limited budget for coins and live in a more remote area of the country which limits how much travel I can do (spend my coin budget on coins or travel to coin shows).