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I hesitated joining because of the reasons you mentioned. Too many articles about top leadership being booted without indicating reason (confidentiality clause cited). How can you truly trust an organization that's not transparent to its membership.

 

There ARE still two factions who do fight over mostly convention site selection - dealers vs. non-dealers. That will never end.

 

They MAY NOT reveal those reasons by law. I know all of the reasons for each, but may not say them in public.

Let's just leave it at the fact that Larry had a paid staff mutiny on his hands in 2011 that had "help" getting overblown by a treacherous board member who's no longer on the board.

 

I understand the legal argument but can't an organization have its elected officials sign a confidentiality waiver when they run for office?

 

Not when it involves the federal employment rights of PAID staff, no.

This will be the 5th straight year with Kim Kiick at the top of the paid staff, and that is organizational peace. Three Presidents (two year term) and ONE Executive Director? That's as peaceful as it gets. This year we elect President #4 and both want to keep Kim as ED. And it looks like Don Kagin has the inside line for President in 2019. What's not to like?

 

I agree that paid staff is a different animal.

 

By the way, @GDJMSP, we have divergent definitions of "watching". If you aren't at conventions, you don't qualify for mine. I stare these people down, I ask hard questions, and I participate, even when not asked to.

As a result, I have a personal relationship, first name variety, with all 9 board members.

 

I just find no reason for it. Almost all books are available online or I can get and numerous experts have set up websites I can use to verify things. I struggle to find a reason for what they would actually add to my experience. Between all the forums almost all of the big wigs are posting anyway on one or another and a lot have websites.

 

Wow. If you think that can compare with the stuff in a typical ANA World's Fair of Money, I truly feel bad for you for what you're missing. I guess it all depends who counts as a "big wig" in numismatics. What I am rapidly finding is that the Internet "division" of this hobby and the "meat space division" of it really have a strained and tiny intersection. I just find the Internet side, and the entire culture of it, extremely dissatisfying.

 

The same people the ANA is consistently citing and trying to get.

You internet wrong thought Kurt you know that. Chat boards are for fun and critical thinking and yes can be very legit information (GTG threads excluded). Whatever you can find at the ANA I can find online in half the time and probably more realistically a 1/10th the time.

 

I'm fairly certain this is not what you meant to type. I don't understand this sentence.

(Just to be ironically funny, yes, I'll never hear this in meat space. Internet forums have a monopoly on this kind of insight.)

Plus think of all the mental energy I save not bashing through there/their/they're errors and your/you're errors.

 

So your best response is to go to internet single word typos? Sorry buddy, this is a big reason we don't care about the ANA and do not join.

 

No, my answer is I cannot ascribe intelligence where I find marginal literacy.

Also, I can't individually ask questions of Q. David Bowers, or go to a one-on-one luncheon with Cliff Mishler on the Internet, both of which I have done in meat space. Incidentally, Cliff invited me to lunch.

On the Internet I can't "caucus" with two other judges and agonize whether to give the first place award to merely rare and gorgeous gold coins of a first year type set of U.S. gold, or give it to a display of absolutely UNIQUE New England Civil War era postal currency.

But you go enjoy your "websites." You clearly need each other.

 

We get it Kurt, your are our superiors in every way. The ANA doesn't matter to the next generation sorry

Honest tip for you, you as a supposed hallmark of the ANA is just turning people off from wasting money on it

 

Two things. Explain to me why my son, kind of the "next generation" by definition, who just turned 22, and who has been to every ANA summer convention since he turned 15, and who has the finest specialty set of Soviet coins I can imagine, doesn't even know CoinTalk exists, nor does he care?

Second: your first line. It's "you" not "your".

Why don't I turn him on to CoinTalk? Because it's too embarrassing. It'd be like admitting using a scanner to search out car wrecks.

 

Because you taught him.

Why do you personal attack every time you are asked to give us your knowledge?

As the "ANA MAN" you represent yourself as, you have done more to prove to people they do not need the ANA than anyone ever could in my opinion

 

It's "ever", not "every",

 

Had already corrected it but thanks for proving the point. Windows spell checks if I want to use it, don't need the ANA for that since you are supposedly "The ANA MAN"

 

I appreciate your side of the issue of ANA membership. I joined a few years ago to find out for myself the value to me of being a member. I find this forum useful to read many differing viewpoints on a wide range of topics. What I find disturbing are those who have to correct others grammar and typos. No you don't have to be an ANA member to call yourself a numismatist. Maybe the ANA could increase their membership if they didn't give the perception of being run by elitists.