weight of a Julia Mamaea denarius

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  1. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i'm looking at a lvlia Mamaea silver denarius that weights 2.31 gms. is this acceptable? not too much wear on it, but that seems a little light. what's your thoughts peeps?
     
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  3. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    I own three denarii of hers. One weighs 3.3g, the second at 2.9g while the other weighs in at 2.5g. A significant range.
     
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  4. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ok, thanks Bing! so its not out of realm of the possible then eh? kool..
     
  5. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Sounds good. Weights on those coins was all over the place. I have a Julia Maesa that is around 1.3g, and another member here has one that is 0.9g (I think).

    Coin weighs for Severans are all over the place. I think during this time the mint got a pound of silver and calculated how many coins they needed to produce from that batch, and then made the individual coins without weighing them. As long as they got x coins from the pound, that's all that mattered.

    Here is my underweight Julia Maesa.

    Julia Maesa Pudicitia.jpg
     
  6. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    alrighty then, thanks big O...(massage><)
     
  7. Sallent

    Sallent Live long and prosper

    Maesa, LOL. Darn autocorrect.

    Though I wouldn't mind a massage from Rome's meanest granny, just as long as she didn't cut my head off in the process.
     
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  8. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    haha! i wouldn't turn my back on her:p
     
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  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I have 8 denarii of Mamaea. Their weights are:

    3.39
    2.95
    2.65
    3.23
    3.05
    3.62
    3.27
    2.95

    The mean is 3.14 gm.

    So, one might say the average weight of a Julia Mamaea denarius is π !
     
  10. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    Here's a fouree of Orbiana (Mamaea's daughter-in-law) weighing 2.45 gm:

    Orbiana Fourree.jpg
    Fouree denarius; 2.45 gm; 18.7 mm
    AD 232??
    Obv: SALL BARBIA ORBIANA AVG, diademed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: FECVND AVGVSTAE, Fecunditas seated l., reaching out to child.
    (This is not an official reverse type of Orbiana; rather, it appears to be the reverse of a denarius of Julia Mamaea, RIC 332, issued in AD 232).
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    LOL, so now I am hungry...
     
  12. Ken Dorney

    Ken Dorney Yea, I'm Cool That Way...

    Weight is not nearly as important overall as many have come to believe. While we do not know specifically the practice, it has been put forward by many that the mint considered one of two concepts: 1 pound of bullion = xxx specific coins. Second, 1 pound of bullion is struck into an average number of coins. I would expect the practice would be that the mint produce a specific minimum number of coins, any more than that was likely to be extra profit.

    Somewhere around here I have a Commodus denarius under 2 grams. I'll see if I can find it and post a picture.
     
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  13. rrdenarius

    rrdenarius non omnibus dormio

    Can you post a good pic? I think the coin is ok, but wonder if it is a fouree.

    If you are not into statistics, skip the rest of this post.

    I think the coin is a bit on the light side. I did a quick search for Julia Mamaea Denarius on acsearch.info and had 1400 matches. The first 20 were similar numbers to @Roman Collector .
    RC's coins
    average = 3.14 g with 0 examples that weighed below your coin
    St Dev = 0.30 g
    bottom of a 3 sigma range = 2.23 this data would say it is at the bottom end of the confidence curve
    acsearch
    average = 3.02, but there were 2 examples that weighed below your coin
    St Dev = 0.40
    your coin is 2 sigma below the average, the bottom of a 3 sigma range = 1.83 or you have a 5% chance of being outside the normal distribution for this data.

    I do this math when looking at Roman Republican coins that are either heavy or light. If I can find other examples of similar weight and the picture looks good, I say the coin should be ok. But... I look for places the plating of a fouree cracked.

    If you like the coin and the price is right, buy it.

    For the normal distribution, the values less than one standard deviation away from the mean account for68.27% of the set; while two standard deviations from the mean account for 95.45%; and three standard deviations account for 99.73%.
     
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  14. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    so..you want to put a little weight on do ya><...
     
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  15. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    If it was with blackberry PI, I would not mind!
     
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  16. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i'm wiff ya on that!
     
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  17. Helvetica

    Helvetica Member

    CoinArchivesPro list a number of very light Julia Mamaea denarii - these are some examples of RIC 332 types:
    (Most were under 3.2 g, the heaviest one was 6 g.!

    Numismatik Naumann auction 111, Lot 878, December 2021 = 20 mm, 2.14 g.
    Numismatica Ibercoin Auction 41, Lot 2165, October 2020 = 18 mm, 2.17g
    Roma Numismatics E-Live Auction 1, Lot 745, July 2018 = 19 mm, 2.09 g
    Roma... same auction, Lot 746 = 20 mm, 2.22 g,
    Áureo & Calicó - Auction 270, Lot 263, Sept. 2015 = 2.20 g.
    Áureo & Calicó - Auction 258, Lot 3337, March 2014 = 2.20 g.
     
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