it could be a Damnatio

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by ro1974, May 1, 2017.

  1. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    Damnatio Memoriaia
    is a condemnation of memory after an unpopular ruler or person dies. Coins were often defaced with cuts across the emperors neck or face, like te one Commodus has here.
    this is a much more extremem one for Nero - yours is the way they often come with just one or two good cuts. If it is determined to be a damnation it's helpful for the value

    i dont know about cuts
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    i saw a cross dameged by his ears
     
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  3. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    I don't think it is damnatio memoriae...it's more likely accidental damage
     
  4. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    i dont think so, do make make
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    cuts by his ears looks to me not natural dameged

    a big cuts a and a litle cuts by his ears/ makes a cross
     
  5. David@PCC

    David@PCC allcoinage.com

    Hard to see in this scan and not damnatio, but a bored soldier or somebody gave this male diety long hair.
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    Antiochus IX
    Unknown mint in Phoenicia
    114 to 95 BC
    AE 19
    Obvs: Bust of Eros right, dotted border.
    Revs: BAΣIΛEΩΣ ANTIOXOY ΦIΛOΠATOPOΣ, Nike walking holding wreath. Control/cornucopia to left
    19mm, 5.1g
    Ancient graffiti on obverse to give Eros long hair, unpublished with this control mark.
     
  6. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    I have a coin of Vaballathus with a large scratch across his face, never considered the theory that this might have been intentional. But after the Palmyrene empire fell to Aurelian this is definitely a possibility. Cool thread! I'll post it if I can figure out how to photograph it appropriately.
     
  7. Victor_Clark

    Victor_Clark all my best friends are dead Romans Dealer

    scratches do not mean damnatio memoriae and Vaballathus was never given this treatment anyway as it was reserved for people that had brought disgrace on the Roman State. Vaballathus was king of the Palmyrene Empire and not a Roman citizen.

     
  8. ancient coin hunter

    ancient coin hunter 3rd Century Usurper

    Thanks for clarifying the point.
     
  9. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    i have a denarius of Faustina Sr. that the bust is cut to pieces. i have no explanation of why it was done that way other than angry women of the day. faustina the elder 003.JPG
     
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  10. ro1974

    ro1974 Well-Known Member

    Thanks all, it is CuteS
    Form natural damaged, nice learning to
     
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  11. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I believe this is damnatio memoriae:

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    Fausta
    AE3, 19.97 mm, 3.48 grams, 25-326 AD
    Obv: FLAV MAX - FAVSTA AVG; Draped bust right
    Rev: SPES REIP-VBLICAE; Spes standing facing, head left, cradling two infants in her arms, SMHA in exergue
    Ref: RIC VII 80 Heraclea
    Comment: This example has a carefully created scratch over the eye made in antiquity which could represent a damnatio memoriae after her execution by Constantine in 326 AD.

    Ummm... OUCH!!!
     
  12. Gavin Richardson

    Gavin Richardson Well-Known Member

    I've shown this one before. Cuts are patinized, suggesting they were made in antiquity. And a formal damnatio was indeed declared against Licinius, the figure on this coin. I'd like to think it's a damnatio, but like for most damnationes, I suppose we can only guess. The coin shows a lot of circulation wear before the cuts were made, which may or may not be relevant. Only the obverse portrait is intentionally scratched.

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