1793 Wreath Cent-Pitted but in nice condition- How to Grade?

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  1. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    This is a coin that i bought back in 1986 at an auction in the UK. It has pitted surfaces on both the Obverse and Reverse. But otherwise the surfaces are hard, and the detail is very good. I have very much enjoyed this coin in spite of its problems. It
    has a certain charm to it. Can you please let me know your opinions on ultimate grade, after taking the problems into account. Is this a coin that can be encapsulated?
    Many thanks,
    Edward
     

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  3. mrbrklyn

    mrbrklyn New Member

    Nice Coin. See the thread on Damaged Coins from last week.

    Ruben
     
  4. zaneman

    zaneman Former Moderator

    Eduard,
    Both Anacs and NCS would encapsulate your coin, but it would be assigned a details grade. Your coin is much nicer than the typical wreath cent that I have seen, and also much more detailed. I believe that if submitted for grading they would call it xf-details corroded.
     
  5. huntsman53

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    I somewhat agree! The coin appears to have at or close to EF-40 details! However, I believe that it has been cleaned at one time to remove the corrosion (Note: the clean corrosion pockets on the Obverse) but the corrosion (PVC) has started to re-appear on the Reverse! Due to this, I believe that it may Net Grade at VF-30 Corroded/Cleaned but they might just grade it "XF Details Corroded/Cleaned". IMHO, it would probably be best to send the coin to NCS for restoration, certification and grading, so that they can stop any further damage to the coin.



    Frank
     
  6. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    If you want it slabbed, go for ANACS.Anywhere else will reject it. GF+, but probably more like a net VG.
     
  7. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**

    Well, thanks for your clomments. I think also like you that with a coin like this it is difficult to assign a final or net grade.
    I will asssume then that it its net grade would be somewehre between Very Good and Very fine. That is a wide spread, but at least i know it is better than a Good.
    Thank you all,
    Eduard
     
  8. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    Eduard,

    I don't think ANACS or NCS would ever grade it as Very Good! Even with a deduction for the corrosion and any cleaning, the coin would still get at least a Net "Fine" grade but more than likely a Net "Very Fine" grade.


    Frank
     
  9. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    XF details, pitted & recolored, net F
     
  10. JeromeLS

    JeromeLS Coin Fanatic

    XF ??? Are you mad ??? Just a decent strike GF !!!
     
  11. Ed Goldman

    Ed Goldman coin collector

    I don't know what you paid for it, but this coin is atleast a $3,000. coin.
     
  12. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    IF it's genuine... and I'm not certain it is.

    I'm no expert on these, so be sure to check further. But when I saw this picture, something about the word LIBERTY bothered me. So I checked a few sources.

    In all of the ones I found, LIBERTY starts at about 11 o'clock and ends at 1 o'clock - it is centered above Liberty's head.

    But in this picture, LIBERTY starts at about 12 o'clock and ends at 2 o'clock... the whole word is shifted to the right a bit.

    MIGHT be a die variety; I don't know.
     
  13. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    GF, are you mad?

    Wait a second, what is GF? ;)
     
  14. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    By way of reference, here's a PCGS XF40, which I think has similar deatil as the OP's coin:

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    Here's a VF 30:

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    Which do you think the OP's coin resembles more?

    I rest my case...Mike
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator


    European terminology - Good Fine. I guess they think it's easier than saying F 15.
     
  16. huntsman53

    huntsman53 Supporter**

    ROLF!!!!! I thought they were saying "Girl Friend"!


    Frank
     
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