Possible out of collar Broadstruck Braided Hair Large Cent Error? & another strange one?

Hi, the 1853 piece I thought looked like it might be out of collar broadstruck type error or a die adjustment strike maybe? Also, it seems like it may have been possibly struck more than once after rotating? I'm in training mode with errors, just giving my best guess here

The 1885 piece I know it has environmental damage, but it's just kind a strange looking overall so I'm at a loss there and more curious about it than anything?
Thanks!



1853 Braided Hair Large Cent:








Strange 1885 Braided Hair Large Cent:

 

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Sorry I meant to cite the date on the second one as 1845 vs.1885 (yikes, sorry about that)

 

Actually the second looks like a bad attempt to create an 1815 cent. The first one is just abused, not an error.

 

The second one looks like a counter stamp. A mug of beer with WA underneath?

 

Badly PMD

 

Still looks like a beer stein to me. Pretty crude out line, but you get the point.

 

Thank you!!!!! I can see it now, awesome! Wow?! You have some fabulous eyes and now that you've pointed it out is beyond me how I didn't see it before? Lol. Do you think the W.A. stands for initials or for the state of WA (I grew up in WA State)? Do you know if there's something I can do to eliminate the green corrosion or at least stop it where it's at? I just think it's a cool piece of history to tuck away for my teen's collection

 

Can someone please tell me how to start a new thread?

 

Acetone (buy it at any hardware store) and a
Q-tip should take off most of the verdigris (green)

 

Go to the blue bar on top, click fourms, pick fourum you would like to post in, approx 1/2 down on the right side is a blue box the says POST NEW THREAD

https://www.cointalk.com/forums/

 

Thank you

 

Thanks! I have acetone that I use on my silver, but I didn't realize it could be used on copper, thought that was against the rules..Lol But I will give it a try!