Do you think this 14-D Lincoln makes VF?

Not sure if any of the above responses tell why this is an altered coin. The space between the 9 and 1 is too wide. This was minted as a 1944 D

 

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Yeah, yeah, he knows that already.

I ALWAYS prefer openness and upfront honesty .

 

#3 If you know they are fake, don't waste peoples time asking questions you already know the answer to. If you want to educate others; fine! Let everyone know what you have posted and be honest. Most readers will be appreciative to learn from others' mistakes.

 

That's 2 votes for #3 - no more threads like the OP.

 

Count me in for #1. I'm always glad to learn, but I don't like to be tricked.

 

It is not to be taken as a trick. It is to make you think about what you are seeing. Did you know that in the Advanced Grading class in Colorado the instructors put in a few counterfeits?! Now, we all should know that a counterfeit coin can be graded but I'll bet they wanted to teach the students a very valuable lesson. I'm also sure some of the folks taking the course that graded the counterfeits were very embarrassed! However, I don't think they called their instructors trolls! I don't think they thought their instructors were showing off or doing it for pleasure! I'll take that "pleasure" part back as in the end, it had to be pleasurable for the class and the instructors.

BTW, I had planned to post some genuine coins after getting a reputation as a "trickster" for posting fakes all the time! Get's folks to really look at my terrible images closely. Nevertheless, I'm not going to post this type of thread if my methods aggravate too many long time members who would prefer answer#3. I'll become a lurker and enjoy just reading the posts.

So far:

#1 one vote.
#2 zero
#3 two votes.

Let's add a choice #4...become a lurker or go away...it's better w/o you around!

 

It would probably be more useful for others if you clearly state what your intentions are in the OP (like, pick a theme or name for when you want to play games). ..or.. making 1 thread with every deceptively altered coin clearly identified would be far more useful to a wider audience. This would be readily available for others in the future when they are looking for information on the topic. Just my thoughts...

 

I think this is the problem, Insider. You're working from a position of being "above us" or "better than us," whether you intend to or not. That rarely translates well over the interwebs. Bottom line: No one likes to look foolish. So find a way to educate us without endangering our precious internet egos.

 

Not taking sides here either way, but personally I don't mind the OP at all. Reading the post originally I paid close attention to the cheek and beard area on the obverse and the stalks of wheat on the reverse to try and decide myself what the coin would grade before scrolling down to see how more senior collectors than I saw it.
I didn't even realize until I scrolled down the thread that it was an altered date as I was paying little mind to that portion of the coin.
Imho it's an innovative way to teach beginner to intermediate level collectors such as myself valuable lessons, such as evaluating the whole coin as opposed to bits and pieces of the design based solely on the question that was posed.
Just my two cents.

 

I'll possibly take your suggestion. Problem is, I've found that I and other folks learn more when they work things out on their own without being spoon fed.

I could write a book on feeling foolish during the year. Have you noticed that I don't play GTG any more. That's because I only guessed correctly ONE TIME. - it's no big deal. Now, I'm studying the GTG posts/answers so I can get back into the game and get the correct answers like the expert graders here.

#1 One vote
#2 One vote
#3 Two votes
#4 Zero

 

But you said it yourself! You quit doing GTG for fear of looking like a poor grader! Same reasoning works here. Namely: No one likes to feel dumb.

 

Maybe a different title to the thread. I like stuff like this.

What's wrong with this 1914 D Lincoln Cent?
Pick this 1914 D Cent apart.
What problems do you see with this 1914 D Cent?

I like threads that get others involved and giving other opinions.
Somewhere in the middle it probably going to be the correct answer.
You learn from right and wrong answers. None of us are correct all the time.

 

Not quite, I quit doing GTG (for awhile until I learn what I don't know) because I am my own critic. I don't wish to post MY uninformed rubbish that only detracts from the learning experience of others. I think that is a difference; and as I wrote, I don't really care what anyone thinks. Besides, why should any member feel foolish if they are unknown to the other posters?

I'm waiting to decide if and how I shall continue here. Thankfully, there are at least three other great forums on the net. I'll always be learning something on CT even if I never again post a "trick" question that excites some members.

Take @ldhair's comment to heart: "You learn from right and wrong answers. None of us are correct all the time." Amen to that brother!

 

Thanks, I think people on here have enough of people insisting they have doubled dies, rare and unique errors...etc. The truth works pretty well, but I can understand the reason for posting how you have, just not truly appreciated. I agree with ldhair

 

Being the OP's pictures were of poor quality - I used the other image of an altered 1914-D and overlaid a CAD tracing of 1914-D OBV #5 (Date and Mint Mark) in blue onto it. As you can see, the "1" and "4" don't match in the overlay - which means the coin is not a real 1914-D and no need to progress through any other 1914-D die overlays.

 

And here is a real 1914D. Notice the spacing. How would you grade this?

 

G04 scratched.

 

But you're quite happy with others who aren't in on the game posting their own uninformed rubbish guesses.

 

By Golly, You are a true genius @davidh! Congratulations, You get it 100%. The difference is, I've been collecting/grading/selling/buying coins for over fifty years. Since I'm not broke and have worked in the coin business professionally for forty-five years - I though I had a pretty good idea of how to grade. Obviously, GTG posts have opened my eyes. So rather than posting bad guesses based on "old-time" conservative standards and upset myself, I've been studying the TPGS standards of today (which can be all over the place!). Anyway, I just got back into the GTG game last night.

From what I have seen on CT, there are many members with less experience than I have (many of them seem to be much better guessing grades too ).
Therefore, I don't consider any opinion they post is rubbish (do you?). As has already been posted by another member: "We learn from correct and incorrect answers."

Based on posts with the tone of yours and others who do not wish to be challenged or mislead to make them think; in the future (so as not to upset anyone), if I post when I get over my hurt feelings - I will only be posting obvious stuff suitable for very new collectors like: "What side of this Lincoln cent is the reverse."

 

G-6 details. Scratched and cleaned. Hard to grade without the reverse.