I can see the ones posted on PCGS coinfacts but is the 1807 O-109 still a R.7? Has anybody seen one in person? Any known auction records of one?
I don't have one. I have always found the common O-109 with cracks which is actually a 109a. That is why I am asking. I cannot find any sales records of a true O-109 at all and none for sale by any dealer I can find. Only pictures I found where on PCGS but to show how little info is there PCGS's price guide for the coin has apparently not been checked because the price guide goes from $1500 for a VG08 to $19500 for Fine 12 back to $2000 at VF20. I would assume maybe that $2000 is a typo and they left out a zero but PCGS only shows they have graded 3 and the top pop one is not pictured.
It actually gets weirder. So I logically decided to go to the PCGS registry and there is a registry for Half Dollar Prime Die Marriages. Yet I looked and PCGS allows you to enter the o-109a in that set.....even thought it is NOT prime. I have no idea why PCGS allows that.
Have any you can show? I cannot find a single auction record anywhere. I have even tried looking for 0-109 or 0-109a with cracks and I find none anywhere. Actually I can only find pictures of two low grade ones on Coinfacts. Love to know where they are popping up at.
Bust Half Prices shows 12 different 109s selling at auction in the past 10 years along with another 17 109a from Stacks, Heritage, Sheridan Downey, and David Kahn. Are they common? No, but definitely not R-7.
Any links to these auctions? I find zero. I have seen many auctions listed as "O-109" but when I click on them all it has the obverse cracks which is not a true O-109. Like I said above PCGS has a registry set for Overton Primes so I went there...all have those die cracks. I saw no true O-109. It appears (to me) that all times somebody says they have a O-109 it is actually a O-109a. What I think you are saying is you looked on Heritage and you searched "1807 O-109" and you saw 12 auction results but look closer. Of those 12 you found 1) One is the unique 1807 Special Strike 2) One is a 1795 3) One is a 1806 So that leaves 9 1807 that Heritage list as "O-109" but did you click on them? All O-109a. All have the cracks. This is the best one: https://coins.ha.com/itm/early-half...18-595.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515 But again you see the obvious die crack. So again, if you found any let me know, but so far I have found ZERO 1809 O-109. If have any data showing it is not an R.7 I am all ears.
Don't know what you are tracking at Heritage...I didn't bother to check. The info came from Dave Rutherford's site Bust Half Dollar Auction and Sales Results. It costs 20 bucks a year to subscribe, but is well worth the money for anyone collecting by Overton. http://www.busthalfprices.com/index.php
Not on there. Can you post information? I spoke to PCGS dealers and all said a real 1807 O-109 a solid R.7 coin with no known sales records and so far all I see is o-109a. Tomkins book also list a true O-109 as extremely rare. Matter of fact I found one NGC one....but it has mysteriously been delisted (the cert number is no longer valid) and NGC does not even have a picture of a O-109 posted. This is why I made this thread: the information on the 1807 O-109 makes no sense. Every time I have found a O-109 listed it is just a O-109a and the one time I found it (which appeared to be a O-109) it was with NGC and that no longer seems valid. PCGS, NGC, the Overton literature, etc all say a O-109 is a R.7 coin yet you find O-109 LISTED all over.....but they all show die cracks....which means they not a O-109. Now you see the massive confusion here. I cannot check NGC's population but PCGS has a total pop of 3 and the 1 NGC one I find has been scrubbed.
