Multiple errors dragon dollar silver coin without rotation surface and natural shade

Yea right. Found someone to screw over

 

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Congratulation to you but your coins might be fake eventhought with the holder because there are too many fake coins were graded by those companies in your nation among thousand of them and get sued as result do not be excited to think its completely real beside that it has been cleaned without numbers and luster has been effected much the value can be reduce as much as possible to be honest with you there

 

Please link or show some facts there to back it up buddy..

 

You should ask for some coin dealers who know have experience of graded fake coins nearby your area within your places there

 

1. Ask for information on coin.
2. Find out it is most likely counterfeit.
3. Sell Coin as genuine, regardless.
4. State that NGC slabs fakes.
5. Suggest others do research to support this argument.

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He does the same type stuff in the pcgs forums as well. Asks opinions then when they dont meet his agreements. Tells people they are incompetent and to prove him wrong. Then gets upset no one answers his posts. They stopped acknowledging him there after a few threads.

 

Never used word like incompetance as thashing on members on the othe forum but somehow disagree with other opinions there

 

Something wrong with your mintset with these statement and it is absolutely an insult to me you mean these is fake chinese coin which has sold to the buyer and successfully con him for making profit so you are thinking every chinese coin without slab certification confirm not authentic but the buyer who bought these coin from me that said it is real not fake piece as himself is an expert specially for identification in chinese coins cannot go against for his personal thought respect his decision as royal buyer believe something is wrong with your mindset stop commenting anymore right in my topic and keep those words for yourself to prevent conflict between us because what you have said made absolutely no sense nobody says you are dumb or deaf if you keep your dirty mouth shut for the brighter tomorrow there

 

The above comment for someone who has commented that myself has found someone to screw over on first replied to be honest

 

These topic discussion has finished now hopefully no posting from any members right after these message as last replys thank you

 

Wayyy off topic here, but why do I feel embarrassed I know exactly what scene this is?

 

Please stop commenting and not disgrace for posting up to be honest with you

 

Strangely, I can't remember it at all. I know I've seen every episode of TNG twice over. Maybe the meme has stolen my memory...

 

NEWS FLASH...I agree w/the poster. IMHO, lots of counterfeit Chinese coins have been slabbed as authentic by the TPGS.

The reason is simple. In the 1960's and 1970's collecting coins from China was one of the "backwaters" of U.S. numismatics. Although the genuine pieces have many varieties and styles from different mints, back then, the counterfeits were very crude. Any numismatists who studied the genuine pieces using a microscope back then would know what a genuine coin should look like. It's a good bet that NO ONE DID!

As decades passed, the methods of counterfeiting improved. Unfortunately, it's a good bet that no one did extensive microscopic study of Chinese coins then either. The usual reference was a book by Kann. It is a great resource. Unfortunately, AFAIK hardly anyone studied the varieties closely using magnification. There were dealers. Some were pretty good but they did not use microscopes and relied mostly on their eyes or occasionally a hand lens. Many of the good ones around in the 70's are dead.

Things were different in China. Collectors over there were familiar with the coins of their nation. Astute numismatists can weed out most fakes as quick as we search a roll of Morgan's because they grew up with Chinese numismatics. Nevertheless, counterfeiting methods continued to improve. Along came the two major grading services. Chinese coins were still not "big" in the 80's but eventually they started to "take off." IMHO, most of the time, the TPGS guys eyeballed a typical Chinese coin and rendered an opinion without due study. No one studied the coins locked away in museums from the 1960's and earlier. They did not know what the genuine coin should look like. By then, the counterfeits were pretty good. The real counterfeits. The crude junk posted in forums, sold on Ebay, etc. was not a problem. The well-made fakes were.

So...As I wrote, plenty of well-made fakes got into the market, were bought, sold, and collected raw; and even got slabbed. Unfortunately, it is virtually impossible for us in the U.S. to go back and learn. The marketplace has become too polluted. Folks think someone who condemns a slabbed coin from a TPGS is a NUT! It's best to:

Bottom line, there are some Chinese coins that are so genuine your blind grandmother would know they are authentic. Unfortunately, there are many others that appear genuine due to the quality of the counterfeits. Additionally a large number of Chinese coins - both good and fake - look terrible under a microscope. I don't trust any opinion about these coins from just about anyone. I do know graders at NGC have been to China and the Mint. They also have consultants in China. I should respect their opinion much of the time.

I'm not going to rock the boat any more with addition posts on this subject after this single post so we can all continue to trust auction companies and TPGS's. You are free to believe what you wish about my opinion.

 

You are right about my personal thought someone agree with me finally and beware of those things