Beautiful shining morgan dollars white silver coin luster surface

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  1. Please check it out on the scans below and let me knows of what you think later there


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  3. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    It looks Uncirculated. Pretty baggy, I'd call it a MS-61 MS-62 on the high end. Not worth submitting to PCGS or NGC if that's what you were asking.
     
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  4. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

  5. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    Liberty's cheek is considered a very grade sensitive area, this one shows a lot of contact. I agree with 61, maybe 62 if the luster is great.
     
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  6. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    MS-60, too many marks on the obverse and a few on the reverse.
     
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  7. ziggy9

    ziggy9 *NEC SPERNO NEC TIMEO*

    this coin is a prime example of why a high AU coin can be nicer than a low MS coin...
     
  8. murty

    murty Junior Member

    Ms-61 a bit too many bag marks
     
  9. STU

    STU Active Member

    too many marks for me i would say 60-61 max but those marks take away appeal which is what i look for when i want a coin
     
  10. These silver coin to be graded as mint stake uncirculated condition which at low grade because those marks on the surface
     
  11. You are right and fully agree with you there
     
  12. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Not MS. That is a lightly circulated coin. Looks like an AU 58 to me. Cap and feather tips have a slight bit of wear.
     
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  14. Dancing Fire

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  15. HawkeEye

    HawkeEye 1881-O VAMmer

    You might check out my 1881-O specific site and look at the grades all lined up. I have almost 700 of them arranged from Poor through MS65MDPL. My impression from your images is low MS to high AU but without the coin in hand it is hard to tell.

    http://www.1881o.com/all-coins.html
     
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  16. HawkeEye

    HawkeEye 1881-O VAMmer

    I might agree with your assessment except that the New Orleans Mint was famous for poor and weak strikes, lots of overpolishing of dies, and poor storage conditions. If the wear is there then it is an AU, but I have seen worse in MS slabs.

    This coin is also very lightly clashed so it has had a dubious start to life.
     
  17. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    I am well aware that some of the dates (Misconception that all of the New Orleans strikes are weak; in fact, some dates have very nice strikes) have weak strikes. It is more than that--I see obvious signs of circulations that makes it an AU coin. Look at the classic high points of the coin--I see definite rub in the cap and hair on the obverse. Having seen thousands of Morgans exactly like that, I would say a high AU, but not a MS coin. It takes more than a good strike to make a MS coin. This coin not only shows bag marks, but slight examples of having been handled lightly.
     
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  18. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    :eek: :jawdrop:
     
  19. HawkeEye

    HawkeEye 1881-O VAMmer

    I did not mean to imply that all NO coins were weakly struck, only that Mint conditions and management were not always the best and they did produce some coins that I believe were not up to the quality of others. Also their storage conditions were not great with excessive heat, humidity, hurricanes, etc.

    My experience tells me that without a high resolution professional photo condition is difficult to determine. This coin PCGS rated as an MS62 and it has lots of bag marks, some scuffing in the obverse fields, a really banged up obverse device, and flat breast feathers that might be weak strike or wear. The eagle's right wing shows similar overpolishing to his coin. 81o-8874-600x480.jpg
    http://www.1881o.com/20778874_62_57.html

    If I saw this one raw I probably would have rated it much lower. I like to have the coin in hand before passing final judgement. I still think low MS or high AU, but that is what makes this a fun hobby.
     
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  20. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    No comparison between the two. The MS 62 is baggy, because of storage, not wear. It is also a considerably better strike. I would have known that as a MS coin immediately. Your coin isn't particularly baggy, but it has very slight rub wear, and is a lightly circulated coin. It is not MS, but AU.
     
  21. HawkeEye

    HawkeEye 1881-O VAMmer

    Then I will yield to your knowledge and experience.

    Have a good day.
     
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