Why are toned coins so popular?

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by sakata, Apr 1, 2017.

  1. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    what argument ? he wanted to know why I like toned coins. I wanted to show him some of mine.
     
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  3. deefree

    deefree Active Member

    Hey, I was AGREEING with you. I said "yep" right after quoting you saying "COLOR is why I collect toned coins"

    My comment is aimed at people who don't seem to want to accept that there is a reason for collecting them. I don't think that should be an argument. It is personal taste. Live and let live.
     
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  4. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

  5. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    So apparently you only collect coins minted since 1980 or so? You won't find a silver coin from the 1800s or 1700s that hasn't oxidized a bit from the environment. Sure, you can dip it out back to its "original" color, but then you've basically ruined its originality and taken away from the luster.
     
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  6. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    I'd readily agree with that.

    But I wouldn't necessarily agree with this. Sure, it's possible the luster could be stripped away if it was dipped incorrectly. But if it were dipped correctly, that wouldn't be the case at all. There are literally millions of coins that have been dipped and yet have great, some even fantastic luster.
     
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  7. V. Kurt Bellman

    V. Kurt Bellman Yes, I'm blunt! Get over your "feeeeelings".

    Show me ruined luster and I'll show you a hamfisted dipper. Hmm, I may not have ever typed those two words consecutively before.
     
  8. brg5658

    brg5658 Well-Known Member

    An old silver coin (I'm talking 1700s and early 1800s) with original surfaces will ALWAYS lose some of it's oxidized original lustrous surfaces when using a silver dip. There may be some remaining luster (even lots), but it will not be the same.

    Sure, there are plenty of lustrous blast white "old" silver coins that have been dipped. That doesn't mean they didn't look more original before dipping.
     
  9. Kentucky

    Kentucky Well-Known Member

    One of the reasons we should never dip coins that are less than AU (or possibly high XF).
     
  10. spirityoda

    spirityoda Coin Junky

    it is perfectly ok for people to like non toned coins. I support them. I support any way you all want to collect coins.
     
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  11. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    Here is another reason why, And should be described in the NT coin here, Note, we are guessing grade wise, Toning is easily grade able.
    Brilliant white coins are not. IMG_3315.JPG IMG_3316.JPG If you would grade this coin @sakata
     
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  12. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    I wouldn't even try. I would never buy that coin as it has only 40% silver and no appeal for me due to the tarnishing. I generally do not bother to try to grade modern US coins and don't collect them so I really don't know the standards for grading them. I would probably have a better chance of grading it if it were not tarnished but that obverse is too distracting to be able to clearly see the details.
     
  13. davidharmier60firefox

    davidharmier60firefox Well-Known Member

    The obverse of that Kennedy is utterly BEAUTIFUL! I'd be pleased to own it!

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G890A using Tapatalk
     
  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    And I'm not disputing that. But you aren't giving "the rest of the story". You know as well as I do that toning, all by itself, not only reduces luster but also destroys it, progressively over time. So in that regard toning is just as bad as a dip is.

    In point of fact once a coin begins to tone, (and all coins begin toning the very moment after they are minted) the luster of that coin is being gradually reduced - by that toning. And if allowed to progress unchecked that toning will eventually destroy any all luster that the coin ever had.

    Your comment that - "An old silver coin (I'm talking 1700s and early 1800s) with original surfaces will ALWAYS lose some of it's oxidized original lustrous surfaces when using a silver dip." - is 100% correct. But what you are not saying is that those original lustrous surfaces (those that existed when the coin was minted) have already been lessened, and sometimes considerably so, by the toning itself.

    And, it is also true that a toned coin, if dipped correctly, will have its visible luster increased, and sometimes greatly increased, as a result of it being dipped. This is true because toning by its very nature, thin film interference, reduces the amount of luster that can be seen.

    The point is that dipping is not always a bad thing. To the contrary, sometimes dipping can be a very good thing.

    And don't get me wrong, I like original coins every bit as much as you do. I love an attractively toned coin ! But it is just flat out wrong to portray dipping as being wrong, bad, or detrimental, for that is simply not the case a all. Sometimes dipping can have a very positive effect on a coin.
     
  15. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    In general, I would agree. However, if toning, even on a VF or low XF coin, has progressed to a certain point then it would be beneficial to dip the coin. For if you do not the coin will quite literally be destroyed by the toning.
     
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  16. Two Dogs

    Two Dogs Well-Known Member

    Toning tells a bit about the history of the coin...was it in a roll with edges touching the paper wrapper?, was it in an album? was it stored in a bag with part of the coin exposed to the fabric?...was it stored in a leather pouch? Morgans seem to tone certain ways, 50C commems each have their own toning traits. I like the toning that gradually goes from medium to light. Heavy smoky toning seldom looks great to me. Blast white is like vanilla. We all have tastes and preferences...toning is one aspect for us to enjoy.
     
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  17. iPen

    iPen Well-Known Member

    It depends on the toning. And, some are definitely more colorful in the photos. Many of them are subtle but they're there and has mild toning until you shine some light on it - they're like night and day depending on the lighting and angle, like these I one:

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  18. samclemens3991

    samclemens3991 Well-Known Member

    I think the original poster could have saved a lot of time if he had just posted what he really meant. "I think only white untoned coins are attractive and are the only coins worth collecting. Please tell me in 50 words or less how right I am".
    "Oh, by the way I am a doctor so my opinion is worth more than yours."
    Right now they are selling the Pogue collection. Their appearance speaks for themselves. I know, "Yucky poo, none for me thanks." the rest of the world loves original coins that have been enhanced over the years in a manner only time can accomplish. Given your proclivity, I am glad you don't appreciate such coins. No doubt you would be pleased to dip them out.
    I have seen coins enhanced by being dipped. I have also seen coins that may have had negative or unattractive toning that were dipped and ended just plain dull. In doctor terms, consider the patient who is rather odd and quirky with several negative traits. One lobotomy later and they are as bland as oatmeal.
    It is a trend of the new century. Only the attractive deserve our love and attention. Homogenization will make us all happy. Expecting coins to stay the same as they were the day they were minted makes about as much sense as claiming only new born babies are interesting people.
     
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  19. Mike Nielsen

    Mike Nielsen Active member

    I don't like toned coins, I'd much rather have a coin that looks new. If I'm paying the same price for either a toned coin or a not toned coin, I'll pass on the toned coin.
     
  20. halfabuck

    halfabuck Member

    I have been collecting for about a year now reestablishing a childhood passion. I do like the toning on coins and have recently purchased a few. But I am leery about some of them as I know there can be a heat as well as a chemical process involved. Is there any way or clue to indicate that the coin has not toned on it's own? Many Thanks!
     
  21. sakata

    sakata Devil's Advocate

    Here is another question. If a love of toned coins is simply a chocolate vs vanilla thing then I think we can all agree that people like toned coins simply because they like their appearance. So now I have to wonder, if it is only the appearance that makes a difference then why is artificial toning frowned on? After all, if it looks good then buy it!
     
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