Holy .... NGC just took PCGS behind the woodshed!

its prevalent here as the thread was discussing the pop numbers and Paul asked for a example

 

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I'm just saying that it is worthy of it's own discussion. Unreal how many times it was submitted before it upgraded.

 

Coinfacts are full of them,if one has time to comb through them inwhich I don't

But by all means go ahead a start one

 

Not really. It happens more times than one would think. Its all part of the game some play

 

I think the coin KoinJester linked is very interesting. It went from MS-64 to MS-68. That's an impressive leap in grade (about $14k worth).

 

The 64 is a different coin there are also 2 67+ that are different

 

ahhhhh, I was somewhat flabbergasted. ty

 

Who spends 37k on a coin? I mean if I had that kind of money to blow, I don't really think I would care about any of this!

 

That's chump change to the guys that go after those kind of coins. Heck, a well known member on the CU forum spent over half a million on 2 coins the other day

 

Most of the public would ask who would ever spend a 100 dollars on a dime, it's all relative.

 

PCGS does better marketing, let's face it. NGC has just never got the hang of that like PCGS has. NGC is still "market grading," while PCGS has been "marketing grading."

NGC is afraid of their crack-outs going to PCGS. That's tantamount to saying, NGC is afraid of PCGS's marketing. That's why this article.

Who has the prettier girls at the shows, anyway? Well, there you go...

 

Well looks like PCGS just fired back another shot. Risk free crossover special for the month of February.

 

Did anybody get a successful crossover last month...?????

 

In the last 30 days they had over 5,000 attempted crossovers. They succeeded at a 41% rate

 

Wow. Never knew these figures were open to the public. That's cool.

 

https://www.pcgs.com/Statistics/

 

This was really cool. Thanks for sharing.

 

Can you cite any published data to support your assertions? I'm curious if the "cross-overs" are strictly from NGC to PCGS, or if they will review "slabbed" specimens from other TPG. I'm to understand they'll accept coins from other TPG for consideration, but haven't been able to locate a dealer who'll submit same, or consider removing from original slab for submission.

I've notarized removed relatively expensive 4-5 digit value coins from their slabs, and had them submitted, receiving varying results from higher grades than the original to Gem coin being returned as "cleaned". I've discontinued submitting to them because of the perceived irregularities, delay time, and process expense, as there are now believed better means to document grading inconsistentcies. I'd rather just submit the coins in their slabs, and receive an opinion, than chance destruction of a valuable slab for a believed valueless return, if this is an option as I've seen published.

If one knows of the means/process for random TPG slab submission to PCGS, and would care to share same by PM, the effort would be appreciated.

 

The one thing you can't tell in those numbers is how many were NGC. I have a 50 coin order there now (a friend's dupes) with NGC, ANACS, PCI, and NTC. Should be ready today or tomorrow. I'll post results later.

 

The link I posted.

I doubt anything but their internal data (if they even bother to keep it) would have a break down of what company they were from. PCGS does accept crossovers from multiple companies. NGC only allows PCGS coins for crossover but PCGS will allow cross overs from anyone, but when PCGS runs their crossovers specials it is usually limited to NGC/ANACS/ICG.