1921 Morgan. What grade?

I know nothing of VAMs (yet) but I get the allure. You can go through Morgans and start figuring out which actual dies struck that coin. Very cool element to the History of these 100+ year old coins.

 

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VAMing is fun, but also extremely complex. The coin you have is clashed, but that does not mean it is clashed hard enough to be identified as a particular variety. I can only point you to VAMworld or check out my discussion on the topic here http://www.1881o.com/making_vams.html

Your profile says you are a junior collector and assuming that is accurate you might want to start here http://www.1881o.com/young_vamers.html

VAMing isn't easy but rewarding once you get the hang of it.

 

Somehow I posted a reply that went off into space, so it may show up later.

VAMing isn't easy but if you get the hang of it, it can be very rewarding. If you collect Morgan Dollars it is the next logical progression in the serious study of their history.

A clashed coin is an error, but a special type of identifiable error. It only creates a variety in some special circumstances. Your coin is clashed, but I cannot see it well enough to know if it has the special traits to make it a VAM.

Your profile says that you are a young collector, so you might want to start here http://www.1881o.com/young_vamers.html

Much more technical would be this discussion http://www.1881o.com/making_vams.html

And beyond that I recommend you go to VAMworld and dive in.

 

The clash marks that HawkeEye mentioned are very common, and are almost never attributed. The vertical mark extending downward from the "n" in IGWT to the edge of the right wing (viewer's left) is from Liberty's neck. The other clash between the wreath and the left wing (viewer's right) is from the "cap vee".

Like I said, these clashes are almost never used for attribution and VAM assignment. One exception is the 1882-CC VAM-2C3 that I mentioned earlier.

Chris

 

Well said

Also, I just posted a thread to the US Coins forum explaining our 1881-O Morgan Web site and hope members here will pass along the link. We have a lot there that will help any Morgan collector.

http://www.1881o.com

 

Yes, I saw it! For someone like yourself who is new here, it smacks of self-promotion to me.

Chris

 

If you bothered to check the site you will see that it is full of useful information. I saw little to nothing on the site which is designed to be self-promotional, but plenty which is educational. I think this is the kind of site we should be welcoming here.

 

What bothered me is that he could have taken the time to go into further detail about the clashes right here (like I did!) but he chose not to. Why? Oh, that's right! The link is to a new website that he just started.

Chris

 

Actually not and I appreciate sakata's comment
Been there two years and known on VAMworld, I am just new here
Totally free and just educational to promote VAMing and Morgan collecting

sakata shows as a junior member which, being new here, I took literally not participation level, so I skipped detail not to scare him off before he figured out what a VAM is

I assume that causticity is not limited to VAMworld, and if cpm9ball can explain VAMing in one paragraph or response then he is a better man than anyone on VAMworld

If the web site helps you great please use it, if not then don't go there

 

That 21" is an interesting variety, I do though see the strike through on the 87" though. @sakata , below the chin and into the bust/neck area, it doesn't look right.

 

We are all free!!! Bye the way @HawkeEye You should have introduced your new website, a different way, I will look over that website in the morning, not sure, other than flashy, what it has to say.

 

Please have a look and hope you enjoy.

I actually checked before posting anything about the site and was told it was fine to do what I did. Like many sites there are written and unwritten protocols, so apparently I missed something here.

The flash is to keep it from being boring and to challenge me a little technically. As I said here, I get nothing from it other than working to help others, and promoting Morgan collecting and VAMing.

 

Or he could be a major player in the world of VAMming, and the acknowledged specialist regarding 1881-O's, whose concentration on the issue has been known for a long time and has finally been published after years of work.

Chris, just because you don't know HawkeEye doesn't mean he's not known.

 

So, maybe I'm getting senile in my old age, but I still don't understand why he couldn't have taken the time to answer such a simple question right here instead of redirecting sakata to another site. After all, he was the one who mentioned the clashes.

By the way @HawkeEye , sakata is hardly a newbie. He has been a member of CT for 7 years. It's just that he spends most of his time on the Ancients forum. FYI, subtitles like sakata's "Junior Member", your "New Member" and my "Cannot Re-Member" can be changed by the member to anything they choose. Some people just don't bother with it.

Chris

 

You guys have a nice day I am off to do a newsletter

 

He did; you just chose not to see it, which is why I reacted to your post as a personal attack on him.

 

I've had the link to the 1881-O website saved to my favorites since it was posted (by Hawkeye I assume) on the VAMworld discussion forum last year. It is a wealth of information for 1881-O and VAMs of any date/mm for that matter.

And yes, the reason the '87 clash does not make it a VAM is there is no letter transfer (at least to be seen in the images). This could change however with better images, specifically the usual transfer areas.

 

Well here are the high resolution pictures. I still don't see what you are talking about.

 

The spot that really sticks out as a die marker for V-25A is the die gouge above S in STATES in you image. Good eye Dave!.

 

I think you need to re-read all of the posts from the beginning. I won't bother to mention which ones because I don't want you to overlook anything else.

Chris