I buy more raw coins than certified, but I prefer certified coins. Any coins that are going into one of my non-album sets, or that I intend to resell (above a certain value) I submit anyway.
Even though the TPGS make mistakes, over/under grade, I still trust them over the seller. Especially when buying online, with the sellers pics, which can be misleading to say the least. Also, slabs have numbers that can be confirmed, so that the coin can't be switched for another one.(unscrupulous sellers) bottom line, I prefer slabs when purchasing online, but am not limited to them. I do have trusted dealers, but sometimes I purchase from unknown (to me) sellers, and prefer slabs absolutely in those instances. JMHO.
To be honest!! A raw coin is as good as a certified any day. A certified coin has it's holder which protects the coin. I also insert every coin I like into poly flips when I find the ones I choose to keep. So the certified are plainly saved coins that someone besides myself slapped a grade on. I enjoy my raw set as I have around 40 albums and 10 or so boxes full of poly flips filled with different series. As I get the interest or a friend has interest in a certain series for NGC registry then I will do a submission for the TPG collector sets. I have a few NGC registry sets that I do like to add to and really, do you think the grades are all correct?? HaHa -- Registry sets are fun but I really doubt that the coins in them are 75% honest TRUE grades! "Slab coins is more a business perspective than a honest perspective." Raw coins are True Blood!! What are your raw coins worth? ==== Your True Blood! Leme see what ya got Rick
I mean... c'mon. Sure, every TPG makes mistakes but with ANACS and ICG, the graders are allowed to buy and sell coins so there's a conflict of interest
with me, i look for key date coin(s) in slab(s) ( to avoid the debate of arguing the condition ) but everything else, i prefer them raw ...
I get slabbed ones if I am spending what I think is a lot of money - just for the warm fuzzy. Then I break the coin out so I can cuddle with it. Raw for everything else.
Obviously TPGs have their problems, but let me play the devil's advocate. Let's assume that, as some here believe, they overgrade the majority of the coins that they grade. How much does that matter in reality? Many people here think that their own grading abilities are more accurate (by the book) than those of the leading TPGs, which may very well be true, but the only people who believe them are themselves and the people who trust their abilities for whatever reason. The companies who have established a name for themselves, in my mind, will always be more trusted in general, even if they've become lax in the grades they give. Some people believe that grading is (and should be) very objective, others believe it to be more subjective, and those people will never agree.
I buy raw only, when possible. I have no use for slabs. They take the fun away from holding/enjoying coins. Slabs have their purpose, mainly for the big boy coins/rarities, but for common stuff, I stick with raw. Plus raw is easier on the pocket book.
And I submit to you that 99% of the time it makes absolutely no difference. What does make a difference is that ANACS and ICG have grading standards that are even looser than those used by NGC and PCGS. And what does it become when the TPG does not even follow their own written and published grading standards ? What does it beome when a TPG says, in writing, that a coin with wear on it can be graded as high as MS67 ? When that happens, and that is just the beginning of it, then the TPG should rightfully lose any and all credibility it may have previously had.
I understand your point, and even agree with you to some extent, but it just seems like most of the people who rely on TPGs don't really care all that much, so it's not going to change even if it should.
Really it's like who would you trust more the car salesmen selling you the car or the mechanic you had look over it? Same situation here. You don't have to agree 100 percent on everything but the TPG doesn't really care if its a 64 or 65 but the person selling you it certainly does
I also prefer graded for worthy coins as uts very hard to tell some authenticity, cleaning, tooling filled rims ect. However; remember your paying for just an opinion.
I don't think it's that most people don't care, I think it's that most people don't know, are not even aware of it. But that is changing, in fact it has changed a great deal in just the last few years. But I will grant you this much, there certainly are some people who don't care. But that group is for the most part, composed of knowledgeable people. People who saw the changes in grading standards when they occurred. But because they are in the business of buying and selling coins they either didn't care or they were more interested in keeping their businesses up and running than they were about complaining about it, and or informing others about it. In other words, the knowledgeable people knew because there was no way they could not know - they just wouldn't say anything. But the average guy, he didn't know, he was just left in the dark. And it's taken them a while to find out, and then even longer to come to believe it. But they have started believing it in the last few years, and in much larger numbers. And that's the thing about the truth, it does that. It spreads. And once it has spread far enough then things will change once again. Hopefully for the better this time. edit - Of course the TPGs will eat it up like candy, they'll love it. For once again it will provide a reason for people to have all of their coins submitted, and re-graded, according the the new and stricter grading standards. Thus keeping the TPGs in business
For coins that I display for viewing, (friends, family, etc.), I buy raw coins. For better material, I mostly, but not always buy certified.
Unless you are an expert, I think it is foolish to purchase a trade dollar or rare date coin like a 1916-D Mercury Dime raw.