The quinarius denomination

I am trying to figure this out. You are saying that in the early period there is reason to think the introduction of peaked denarii was later than the latest quinarii. So which dates are moved which way? Do you then mean to say the end date of the quinarii is earlier than usually stated (which would make them end sometime before 190 BC on King's timeline) or the introduction date of the peaked denarii is later (which would make it after 190 BC)? What date would you propose for the end of the early quinarius? What date would you propose for the beginning of peaked denarii? (And, what dates did Crawford or others give?)

 

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I don't think there's enough information yet to say exactly when the quinarii end and the peaked denarii begin but I think probably somewhere in the 205-190 BC area is where the peaked denarii begin with the quinarii ending sometime before that. Hersh published a hoard found in Sicily that contained many split visor issues in denarius, quinarius and sestertius denominations but no peaked visor issues and some of the coins show upwards of a decade of circulation wear.

Crawford places many peaked denarii issues alongside the split visor denarii starting circa 211 BC, but in my opinion, the lack of peaked quinarii coupled with the evidence of early hoards of split denarii lacking any peaked denarii suggest this cannot be the case in light of how big we know some of the early issues of peaked denarii were in terms of number of dies used.

If I had to really take a stab at rough dates that I think are probable I'd suggest circa 200 BC for the end of the quinarius and maybe 195 BC for the start of the peaked denarii.

 

Looking for Quinarii I found your excellent posts; maybe you can help me finding out if my Quinarius is probably a Donnsenus, because the Victory has a very similar representation, or if all one can say is that it is anonymous?
Any help is very much appreciated!
Chris

 

forgot to include: AR, 13mm, 1.44 g

 

Looks very similar to the OP coin.

 

My apologies, what is OP? :-o

 

Looks very similar to my Donensius:


RR Rubrius AR Quinarius Donnsenus 87 BCE Neptune Victory alter snake Aesculapius Sear 261 Crawford 348/4

Your weight and diameter seems in line.

Nice capture!

 

Thank you so much!!

 

I recently captured this one from the Empire period... these can be a little more tough to find:

It has a rougher surface, but I believe the silver content was getting lower by this time period, and the lesser metal content may be eroding out...

RI Caracalla CE 198-217 AR Quinarius CE 213 1.3g 13.6mm Laureate - Victory Wreath Palm RIC IV 101 RSC 450 RARE

 

Well, since this thread has been resurrected, I'll post my newest quinarius and the first of Fulvia that I have. For those less familiar with this 'Imperial' lady, I offer the following:

Fulvia, (died 40 bc, Sicyon, Greece), in Roman history, the wife of Mark Antony, and a participant in the struggle for power following the death of Julius Caesar.

Fulvia was the daughter of Marcus Fulvius Bambalio of Tusculum. She was first married to the demagogic politician Publius Clodius Pulcher. Their daughter Claudia was subsequently the wife of Octavian (the future Augustus). In 52 bc Clodius was murdered by a political rival, Milo; his body was carried to Rome and placed in the atrium of his house, where Fulvia made a show of her grief and displayed her husband’s wounds to the people in order to inflame them against Milo and his party. The result was a brief period of public disorder and the temporary banishment of Milo.

Fulvia next married Caius Scribonius Curio, who died in Africa in 49 bc, and in 44 she married Mark Antony. She apparently was deeply in love with him and had great ambition for him. During the proscriptions of 43 bc—from which she enriched herself—Fulvia was reported to have viewed with pleasure the heads of Rufus and Cicero, Antony’s victims.

After Antony and Octavian had deprived Lepidus of his place in the triumvirate and Antony was living with Cleopatra, Fulvia conspired with Antony’s brother, Lucius Antonius, against Octavian, who was given the unpopular task of taking land from Italians to give to Caesar’s veterans. Perhaps out of jealousy, wanting to force Antony’s return to Italy, Fulvia induced Lucius Antonius to rebel against Octavian. Coinage shows that, at least initially, Antony knew and approved of her actions, even if he later repudiated them. During the winter of 41–40 bc, Lucius Antonius was besieged in Perusia (present-day Perugia) and starved into surrender. Octavian’s propaganda, confirmed by surviving sling bullets with abusive comments on them, blamed the problems on Fulvia. Perusia was sacked, but Lucius Antonius was spared and given a command in Spain (where he died), while Fulvia was allowed to escape unharmed and crossed over into Greece, where she met with the returning Antony at Athens. His extreme anger with her over her meddling is supposed to have caused her profound grief. Her death soon after came at an opportune time for Antony, because it made possible his marriage to Octavian’s sister, Octavia, which cemented the reconciliation with Octavian that he had achieved upon his return to Italy. Fulvia’s sons with Mark Antony, Marcus Antonius Antyllus and Jullus Antonius, were important (and embarrassing) figures during the reign of Augustus.


Fulvia, first wife of Mark Antony 42 BC. Lugdunum (Lyon)
Quinarius AR

12mm., 1,48g.

Bust of Victory right, with the likeness of Fulvia / Lion walking right between A and XL; LVGV in exergue, DVNI above.

nearly very fine

Crawford 489/5; CRI 122; Sydenham 1160; RSC 4.

 

Riding Mikey Dee's coat tails, I'll toss in my most recent Impertorial quinarii: Antony/Lepidus and Brutus, respectively. Both ex Elvira Clain-Stefanelli Collection. My Brutus, which is a solid example of a type that comes poor, pales compared to @Volodya 's example, posted above, which must be the finest known.

 

OP = Original Post
refers to the first one in the thread.

 

I have one of these now!



C. Egnatuleius C.f. 97 BC. AR Quinarius Rome mint.

O:Laureate head of Apollo R: Victory standing left, inscribing shield attached to trophy; at base, carnyx to left; Q in field. Crawford 333/1; King 36 14x16 mm, 2.0g.

 

@Carthago has a really nice example of the Brutus also.

 

This qualifies as an imperatorial quinarius (just barely), issued 29-28 BC, celebrating the ultimate victory over Antony.

Octavian, AR quinarius. 13.0 mm, 1.70 g. Obv. CAESAR IMP VII Rev. ASIA RECEPTA; Victory draped standing left holding wreath and palm branch on cista mystica flanked by two interlaced snakes with heads erect.

 

Wow, nice!

 

Nice nice write up @Mikey Zee ! She was quite ambitious! That is why got mine...

 

And here it is. One of the few coins I own that can make Volodya jealous.

 

And one of many that make me jealous!!

 

New Quinarius from a recent auction:


RR Anon AR Quinarius 211-210 BCE 16mm 2.14g SE Italia mint Roma V ROMA Dioscuri Crawford 85/1a; SYD 174; RSC33b; ex RBW; SCARCE

How about a similar Victoriatus denomination to spice it up?
(Similar size...)


RR Victoriatus Jupiter - Victory Trophy VF Craw 53/1; Syd 83