Another AI prong-removal experiment

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by lordmarcovan, Aug 26, 2026 at 6:55 AM.

  1. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    You might recall my first such experiment.

    It was not completely successful, but a good learning experience. I’m here now with a different attempt.

    Here are comparison images of a token I've got coming in a recent swap.

    The first image in each sequence is the dealer's picture, unaltered.

    The second is AI-enhanced by the Google Gemini AI bot, which was instructed to edit out the pixels where the white prongs overlapped the edge of the token - and only those pixels.

    I haven't yet done a really close examination, but this looks like a pretty good result to me. Not only are the pesky prongs gone, but the image is a more usable size for my purposes: 1024 x 1024 instead of the original 500 x 500. (My usual standard is 800 x 800.)

    1A- obverse, unaltered

    Obv-unaltered.png

    1B- obverse, AI-enhanced Obv-AI enhanced.jpg


    2A- reverse, unaltered
    Rev-unaltered.png

    2B- reverse- AI-enhanced Rev-AI enhanced.jpg
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2026 at 8:03 AM
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  3. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Upon my first casual inspection, I'm leaning toward the opinion that this set of AI images might actually be usable?

    I think that instructing the bot to edit only the pixels where the prongs overlapped the edge of the token - and nothing else -might have been the all-important prompt here.

    Are there any tiny details I'm overlooking? The AI images look pretty faithful to the original, as far as I can tell. See anything that's "off"? Any differences in color, texture, marks, etc.?
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2026 at 7:36 AM
  4. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    That is nicely done!

    The pesky prongs is one reason why I'm not keen using slabbed coin photos for type set. This is one set of photos that I would be happy to use!
     
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  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    OK, I’m noticing what seems to be a very subtle difference in color (the blues/greens?) but perhaps not enough of one to concern me.
     
  6. The Meat man

    The Meat man Supporter! Supporter

    From a cursory examination, looks like it actually did a decent job there.
     
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  7. chrissy1955

    chrissy1955 Well-Known Member

    Which means our vaulted AI can be used to enhance any image of any coin. Are you listening, Ebay? ("Hey, this doesn't look like the coin I bought!")
     
  8. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Oh, that particular cat has long been out of the bag, I’m afraid. Those with nefarious intent have much more powerful weapons in their arsenal, now.
     
  9. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    My hatred of white NGC prongs intruding into images is pathological- so much so that I’ve been teased for it. ;)

    Especially on dinky coins like gold dollars or California fractionals, where the prongs swallow unacceptable swaths of the visible surfaces.
     
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  10. chrissy1955

    chrissy1955 Well-Known Member

    Yep, that's why I've restricted my coin collecting to just a few (very few) auction sites and what I find on the sidewalk.
     
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  11. Chris B

    Chris B Supporter! Supporter

    That is a much better result than the first one, in my opinion. I may have to try that.
     
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  12. Mr. Numismatist

    Mr. Numismatist Strawberry Token Enthusiast

    Looks like a pretty good job to me. There was a small thread-like object on the slab above one of the obverse prongs that wasn't removed (it's above the "O" in "STORE"). You programmed it not to remove anything besides the prongs so that should be expected.
     
  13. geekpryde

    geekpryde Husband and Father Moderator

    I agree, at a quick review these look "unmodified" except the removal of the prongs. That is the key part I think. Just yesterday I did an AI experiment with ChatGPT to overlay 1807 and 1809 Bust Half dollars to compare the changes that happened in 1809. (eagles long neck reduced, changes to drapery on the bust, etc).

    Here is what I found:

    (1) First, AI made the high resolution 1807 "better" by subtly redesigning it. Very subtle. It did this I think to avoid copyright issues with PCGS and to clean up the image (remove toning for example).
    (2) AI also made the high resolution 1809 "better" by subtly redesigning it. Very subtle.
    (3) Compared the "better" version of 1807 to "better" version of 1809 and overlaid some very nice graphics.
    (4) Looked beautiful, professional, and very "believable", AND totally wrong. It would likely fool most coin collectors that didn't specialize in Capped Bust Half dollars.

    I pointed this out to the AI, and it agreed "fixing" the images beforehand would lead to a totally erroneous comparison. And it proceeded with a new image, and did it again!

    How does this relate to what you are doing? Well, I think you likely avoided this problem, but it seems all too easy for AI to want to "fix" / "improve" images beyond the scope of someone's prompt. In my case, the result wasn't just misleading, the conclusion of how the 1807 design differed from the 1809 design was totally wrong.
     
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2026 at 10:47 AM
  14. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic numismatist Moderator

    Good catch. Would’ve taken me approximately 3.5 years to notice that.

    It is, as your observation suggests, actually a point of confidence for me that the AI was following instructions.
     
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