I will be on the lookout, thanks for the heads up whats ebay doing about this ? have you reported him ? I just got someone selling replicas "Banned" and there listing removed be cause the items were not marked which violates the hobby protection act.
I've started a return, seller hasn't responded. I've reported the item, twice, and twice the AI found it "not in violation of listing practices". I've spoken to a customer service representative who has advised me that I have to wait 3 business days before they can step in. I've reported it to the FBI. I've contacted my bank to explore the possibility of recovering the funds (it's the principle, not the amount of money). As an absolute last resort, i have the seller's address.
Thanks for the information, everyone. I do not purchase online from any seller simply because it is hard enough to get to get the site to accept responsibility for inappropriate content. I'm a hand's on type of buyer now!
Yep and if you really want to let him know, that we know he's a seller of counterfeits, send him a link of this thread, let's see what happens!
Wait the 3 business days. I'm reasonably sure eBay will make you whole. @Jack D. Young or anybody want to poke eBay through a back channel?
Wow! How did you manage that? I nearly got myself banned from eBay for doing the same. I only get replies stating that either the coin was not contrary to policy or that I was going to start being ignored for flagging too many listings deemed good by an ignorant eBay bot.
I'd like to know the same thing. At every step in this process I've had to be extremely patient and persistent, even after i finally managed to speak to a human instead of chat with the AI. I got the impression that they would grudgingly comply with federal law by refunding my money, rather than they valued me as a customer and wanted to help me.
To get a refund you're gonna need some proof that the coin isn't authentic, maybe your AI app will suffice, I have no idea but the best way to get a refund is to get your coin scanned with an XRF analyzer. I've done it once as I got a fake and other times just to make sure I bought gold. You'll have to find a coin shop or a jewelry shop that has one. Here's a couple of pics of mine, wasn't fake though. If you decide to have it done be sure to have the guy with the tester hold your coin next to the XRF. Hope you don't need it but it's best to have more evidence on your side than you need, good luck!
I didn't bother with the magnet. I looked at it for about half a second and knew, the surfaces were that bad. I weighed it to confirm, and to have more pictures for the return. Maybe the seller didn't know, but a person would have to know so little that they really have no business selling to the general public for this one to fool them in hand. I looked through their listings and sold listings, they handle some coins. It's probably not their main line but they handle enough that they should either know better or get out of that particular sideline. Sorry to rant but I had to get it out there.
What i would do is attempt to have the coin graded by PCGS when it comes back as fake you will have the ammunition you need to have this guy shut down. Even if you are selling REPLICAS or COPY,s they need to be marked, the guy was selling REPLICAS of 1971 Disney Recreation coupons which depending on conditioncan go for hundreds of dollars, so he was selling them for$14, so you could by these and pass them off as real and no one would be the wiser/the Disney seller,s are quickly moving to certified items this goes for vintage park tickets as well.
So... you'd take a coin that's over 25% underweight, spend what, $50 to send it to PCGS, and wait a few months to get it back - at which point eBay will have forgotten that it ever existed? Oh, and eBay gives you three days to initiate a return if the seller doesn't state otherwise. It's obviously, blatently fake, solely on the basis of its weight. It probably does stick to a magnet. Why throw away even more money sending it off to be "graded" (bagged)?
He does his best. I think he's given up on that though. In the past year, it's like emptying the ocean with a teaspoon. eBay will make you whole, but I think they recently tightened up the return window, so make sure you notify them ASAP. Lately I've only been buying from sellers with stellar reputations or my saved sellers, unless a coin is slabbed and cross checks out. I'll probably not buy any more key Morgan dates unless (see above) or the coin is slabbed.
I've told this story here before. Last fall, I won an auction for a nice 1893O Morgan, clearly solid AU condition and not cleaned from a seller that had a 98% approval rating and sold a LOT of coins, wasn't a fly by night operation. My winning bid was $550. Look at the price guide. It was an incredible "deal". When I received it in the mail, I took it to a LCS and they put it under their XRF machine. It passed with flying colors. I immediately shipped it to PCGS. It took them 40 days to get it back to me...........in a body bag, counterfeit. I contacted the seller and he ghosted me, never responded. I contacted eBay, they opened a case. I sent them PCGS documentation and photos. They denied the claim and I also lost an appeal. BUT! ..........I took it to my credit card company branch (Chase) and made an appointment with a bank officer. I took all my documentation along with the coin, and they refunded my money under the CC fraud protection act. Where it went from there, who knows? I am assuming eBay dinged the seller since he did a lot of eBay business. At the end of the day, I don't care. But it was a big hassle. I donated it to Jack Young for his "Wall of Shame" counterfeit display. He even mentioned the coin on his podcast.
